|work rant: can you believe this?||Js Haiku Shop|
Nov 23, 2001 11:29 AM
|i've worked for the most conservative, uptight professional services firms and global brokerage houses, but i never...
this place has been business casual (sweater, button down or polo and slacks or khakis) since i started >2yrs ago, with jeans & tennis shoes on friday. suddenly we're shrit and tie all week and strict business casual on friday.
I don't deal with clients, nor do i have any dealings with other departments. i sit at my desk all day and talk to computers. it's funny that, in a day and time when even the most conservative companies are going either business casual or totally street casual, we're dressing back up. the place i left to come here was THE MOST uptight firm (they dictated to management-types what kind of cars they could drive, what type of winter overcoat was appropriate...), and they went business casual three years ago.
when asked by the desktop support techs about crawling around under desks and dealing with cabling, the response from upper management: wear a smock over your shirt and tie.
|re: work rant: can you believe this?||Jon|
Nov 23, 2001 2:23 PM
|As a management type, I hate to say this, but a LOT of people in management really need |
professional help...as in S-H-R-I-N-K!!! In many ways the science/art of "marketing" is a total
farce. And some of the ideas about "branding" circulated by these self-employment creators
come right out of some peoples' Pandora's box of unresolved issues.
There! That's my rant for the day. I sympathize. Besides which I just suffered through listening
to one of my own marketing guy's presentations this week.
|Does that mean you won't be submitting any more||mickey-mac|
Nov 23, 2001 2:27 PM
|"what are you wearing at work" posts? "Uh, pants, a shirt, and a tie." Seriously, that's a drag. I HATE wearing a tie. We have a business casual policy at work and I milk it for all it's worth. Next summer I'm thinking about floating a trial balloon and showing up in shorts with boxers hanging out, a ratty t-shirt, and Birkenstocks. "No, I swear man, I'm your lawyer!"|
|unionize and revolt! nm||Dog|
Nov 23, 2001 3:18 PM
|E-FLAME THE MEMPHIS BASTIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!||MB1|
Nov 23, 2001 3:39 PM
|Sorry I couldn't resist.
I think you ought to get very creative in your tie selection, afterall there must be a pretty good selection in the home/last resting place of The King!
|BTW with the right coat & tie a KILT looks pretty good!! nm||MB1|
Nov 23, 2001 4:26 PM
|Dumbest tie-to-work story ever||cory|
Nov 23, 2001 4:59 PM
|My father-in-law retired from IBM, which pretty much invented dumb clothing rules. But when my son was in high school he worked (briefly) for a telemarketing firm, one of those call-you-at-dinner places with the automated dialing system, so you don't know who you're talking to, and a really impossibly stupid line of responses to objections (CUSTOMER: Sorry, I'm not interested. MARKETER: I understand your disbelief at this value, sir...).
Anyway, there's this bunch of 18-year-old kids in a drafty old warehouse, talking to people whose names they don't know, who'll never see them--and they're all required to wear ties, white shirts and black dress pants. You know what percentage of 18-year-olds even OWN white shirts these days?
|I'll be that guy,||TJeanloz|
Nov 24, 2001 9:23 AM
|I'm sorry to say it, but extensive studies of productivity have shown a clear and undisputable correlation between 'business' casual dress and lower productivity. The whole reason firms went to casual was to please their employees and, hopefully, raise their productivity. It backfired- people were more laid back in casual clothing and didn't get as much work done. The goal of business is not to have comfortable employees- it's to get as much work done as cheaply as possible, and if they think dressing everybody in tutus is a way to accomplish that, they'll mandate it.|
Nov 25, 2001 11:29 AM
|Do the guys in the shop where shirts and ties?|
Nov 30, 2001 11:42 AM
|But it's not business casual- we had a strict dress code. Mechanics with matching aprons, salespeople with matching shirts. And I do think we were mildly more productive- with an apron on, you KNEW you were at work.|
|Ted, you ever need a job...||Dog|
Nov 30, 2001 4:13 PM
|Lord knows you have the right attitude. You have a job waiting for you here in sunny Fresno, CA, anytime. I'll make a position for you any day. If for some reason I can't, I'll sure as heck hook you up with someone. Chances are, though, you'll never need help.
|I always need a job,||TJeanloz|
Dec 3, 2001 8:09 AM
|But Fresno? Since Colorado lost to Fresno State, unwittingly knocking themselves out of the Rose Bowl in August, I couldn't do it...
But seriously, if only I could convince the investment bankers in Boston that my economics degrees from CU are worth more than the paper they're printed on, I'd have a real job.
|but the riding||Dog|
Dec 3, 2001 8:18 AM
|Hey, what's important? The riding here is wonderful. Flat or mountains, year round riding weather (I grip about 40's in winter), lots and lots of racing opportunities.
I pretty much ignore the sports teams. I had my fill of that by age 12.
So you're hanging out with Sheldon Brown these days, huh? I guess you'll be growing a beard, riding nothing but fixies and wearing helmets with birds on them, too? :-)
|but the riding||TJeanloz|
Dec 3, 2001 8:28 AM
|The riding here is perfect 6 months out of the year. Unfortunately, we're not in those 6 months. And you guys have those stupid plastic dots all over the roads.
I actually don't know Sheldon, but one of these days I'm going to roll over to Harris Cyclery and start a brawl. I'll insist that the Shimano Nexus is way better than any Sturmy-Archer or something like that. Or maybe I'll stick to my guns on 27" and 700c being the same...
I did ignore sports teams for my whole youth. But when I started racing bikes and listening to people complain about there not being enough fans at the races, I thought: "who am I to complain about people not showing up to see me race, if I don't ever go to support others." So in college, I took it upon myself to attend sporting events of all kinds, mostly to avoid being hypocritical. I've seen all kinds of great athletes in a lot of different sports, when you can take the athlete's perspective, you can see entirely different aspects of the sports.
And there's nothing in the world like big-time college football.
|If you can't beat them, join them...||DINOSAUR|
Nov 24, 2001 10:27 AM
|I got injured at work once and I was assigned to work the front desk, which gets a lot of traffic from the public. I started out wearing blue jeans and nice shirts but my supervisor didn't like it and told me I would have to wear a tie and slacks. So I went down to the local Goodwill store and purchased a bunch of the ugliest ties you can imagine. Stuff left over from the 70' with guady flourissant colors about two feet wide. I became famous for wearing the most God awful looking ties. Some people didn't get the joke. Alas it didn't work, I still had to wear them but I went down fighting. I might have won though because the next guy that was assigned to work the front desk on an injury status wasn't required to wear a tie.|
|Move to Sweet California!||BigLeadOutGuy|
Nov 24, 2001 3:50 PM
|Thats pretty beat.
Move to california...I dont think there is any kind of dress code goin on there. I went on an interview once for Spyder Surfboards inc. and I met with the owner of the company and he was wearing a rage against the machine t-shirt and a pair of boardshorts!
pretty rad =)
|Move to Sweet California!||mickey-mac|
Nov 24, 2001 4:14 PM
|About five years ago, I was working at a firm in Santa Monica that required suit and tie four days a week. We could go business casual Friday if we didn't meet clients or go to court. In one case, I had to meet a guy who worked downtown L.A. at a big, well-respected firm that does a lot of labor and employment work. I showed up at the guy's office on a Wednesday, and he had just hopped out of the shower after the gym. His wet gym clothes were in a pile in the middle of his office floor. His "work" clothes were more or less the same as his gym clothes, only dry: baggy shorts, t-shirt, and Chuck Taylor high-tops. The only "artwork" in his office was a Clash London Calling poster. Despite the casual appearance, the folks at this firm get results, period. No matter what studies show about productivity and dress, the genie is out of the bottle by now, and employers are going to have a hard time keeping people happy when they're wearing ties for no apparent reason.|
|As a transsexual you can't imagine the problems I have||nfm|
Nov 24, 2001 7:29 PM
|re: work rant: can you believe this?||Me Dot Org|
Nov 25, 2001 9:24 AM
|Might I suggest a tie with a pattern of the Ebola virus or Anthrax from Infectious Awearables?
A percentage of the profits goes to medical research...
|Sorry what?||Sir Stanley Starch|
Nov 28, 2001 7:56 AM
|Dress down? What on earth is that?
I am in England. Every day I wear at least a 7 piece suit, a starched shirt with quadruple cuffs and brass collar studs, a gentleman's trouser of stout flannel with a 1" turn-up neatly striking a stiff, curly-toed brogue, enshrining a wollen knee-legth sock, upon which the effects of gravity are defied by the employment of a sock suspender. At this time of year, outside wear comprises a solid velvet-collared overcoat, a black bowler, armed with a tightly furled bone-handeled black brolly.
What on EARTH is dress-down? Do you mean you dress in your clothes in the lower regions of your dwelling of a morning?
|As my grandfather always said...||Dog|
Nov 29, 2001 7:38 PM
|"I thought I was bad off when I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet."|
|I have you beat||Defman|
Nov 30, 2001 9:25 AM
|I used to go to the gym every lunch hour to lift weights. Always back within the hour alotted and got reamed out by the boss for going to the gym too much. Can you believe it?|| |