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Anyone know WHY?College Student
Nov 19, 2001 4:08 PM
Any one know the reason why Sweden remained neutral during World War II. I was just researching the topic for an upcoming test and could not find an answer. I really need a good grade on this. Thanks in advance.
re: Anyone know WHY?mr_spin
Nov 19, 2001 4:29 PM
Sweden, like Switzerland, has been historically neutral since the early 1800s. But that didn't mean much at the time. The main reason why Sweden remained neutral was to keep Germany and/or the Soviet Union from occupying it. Because of its location, Sweden had no choice. All access to the West was cut off.

Saying Sweden was neutral is not accurate. Their policy was more appeasement than neutrality. Sweden was one of the great spy centers during the war. And it allowed transport of German solidiers from Norway to Finland (a not exactly neutral thing to do). Finally, Sweden made a lot of money selling iron to Germany during the war.

Neutral? Hardly.
And they played both sides of the fence tooKristin
Nov 19, 2001 4:42 PM
Remember, they also helped many Jews from Denmark find passage to safer places. I don't remember the actual numbers anymore, but it was quite a large number.
re: Anyone know WHY?DINOSAUR
Nov 19, 2001 10:01 PM
try this site

As mr_spin said Sweden wasn't ocuppied during WWII, however they weren't completely neutral. Click on above site. Also your best resource is the internet. Just type Sweden WWII in your search engine and you will be amazed what will pop up.
Of courseHistory Professor
Nov 19, 2001 5:10 PM
Sweden remained neutral because King Olaf XVI was the third cousin of Winston Churchill and an art-school mate of Adolph Hitler. Although he was much closer to Hitler than he was to Churchill, Swedo-English family loyalty runs deep. Fearing that siding with the Germans would cause deep animosity among his relatives from off-continent, Olaf declared Sweden's official position of neutrality at a collectibles show in Brisbane (he was an avid collector of miniature ceramic animals). Anyhow, during the war, Olaf and Hitler often met in Copenhagen to discuss the relative merits of Nazi and Swedish art, not to mention the relative aesthetics of Volkswagens and Volvos. Interestingly, during one of these clandestine meetings, Hitler accidentally put out Olaf's left eye with a calligraphy pen. (To be continued.)
lol (nm)gtx
Nov 19, 2001 5:38 PM
lol my Heinie!Sintesi
Nov 20, 2001 7:11 AM
The professor has related a bona fide tale of the Second World War. "One-Eyed Ollie" (as he was known to friends in the peerage)never forgave Hitler for the making him a cyclops and eventually turned over the fabled Enigma machine (German secret code device) to W. Churchill during a game of pinochle at his Auntie Ingevold's who had a summer home in the Hebrides. This single act turned the tide of the entire war in favor of the Allies. And yes, I always capitalize the word "Heinie."
Is this related to the rumor...Me Dot Org
Nov 19, 2001 10:38 PM
...about the international plot for World Domination and Secret Control by the Queen of England, the Freemasons, ABBA, Bjorn Borg, Steffi Graff and Andre Agassi?

Those darn Swedes! They can't be trusted! Carpet bomb Minnesota now! Don't believe their SAAB stories! Vote LaRouche and enlist in the Norwegian Army!

I have to go now. My medication is wearing off...
"off-continent"?????? nm.muncher
Nov 20, 2001 1:38 AM
Yes, sirHistory Professor
Nov 20, 2001 6:18 AM
I'm glad you brought that to the class's attention. It's an interesting but surprisingly little-known fact that England is actually part of the Asian subcontinent. The land mass that is now known as England physically separated itself from Asia in 642 B.C. in a dispute over cinnamon production. England took every cinnamon tree with it and, as you know, has been the world's sole source of cinnamon for the past 2643 years or so. In fact King Kenneth XVII actually considered calling the country Cinammonia. However, his wife Karen was severely allergic to cinnamon and threatened suicide if forced to live in a country named after a spice that would cause her to break out in a severe rash.
Minor factual inaccuracy.muncher
Nov 20, 2001 6:33 AM
It wasn't his wife Karen, it was his mother, Candida. She was, in fact, allergic to Cinamon, so much so actually, that courtiers would smuggle the substance into the water-palace, and lace her tea with it. Such was the spectacle of the resultant vomit-fountain that citizens would bounce in on their pogo-sticks from miles around to observe the phenonenon, and it became a major source of entertainment. Unfortunately, the effect of the harmonic pogoing during a particulary severe "pukefest" was so dire, that it caused a general lowering of the land-mass, as marked today by the Thames Flood Barrier.

Anyway, hence the modern corruption of "cinamon-in-Ma" has become enshrined in modern usage to denote a widely enjoyed viewing spectacle - Cinema.
Ah, an educated manHist. Prof.
Nov 20, 2001 1:25 PM
I'm delighted to see that my little attempt at trickery didn't get past you, muncher. But did you know that the same "Candida" was much later immortalized in song by the also immortal Tony Orlando, accompanied by his lovely and talented back-up singers who worked under the name "Dawn"? Furthermore, the fairly recent film "Orlando", while from all outward appearances about a woman dressing as a man, was actually the life story of Tony Orlando? Perhaps even more amazing is the fact that Tony Orlando's best friend Freddie Prinze's character Chico from "Chico and the Man" was actually called "Cinnamon" when the pilot was initially marketed to ABC. Network executives, however, thought "Cinnamon and the Man" sounded like a show about a "lady of the evening" and demanded a title change as a condition of approval.
Blatant RevisionismMarcel
Nov 20, 2001 1:55 PM
Tony was a friend of mine in my early drug days. He was certainly colorful then, some might say he had exquisite taste in under-garments, but he was no cross dressing woman. Freddie on the other hand was a closet Queen. Wait a minute, that makes me think it may have been the other Freddie. Puff Puff Puff..No it was Chico.I'm sure
Nov 20, 2001 6:51 PM
I believeHistory Professor
Nov 20, 2001 8:58 PM
you may be confusing your 1970s "ethnic" television characters. Grady from "Sanford and Son" may be the closet queen you had in mind.
Nov 20, 2001 9:51 PM
As the owner of the largest collection of Freddie Mercury statues I resemble that remark!!!!!!
re: Anyone know WHY?College Student
Nov 19, 2001 5:51 PM
Thank you all for your help. I knew I could count on my cycling pals.
Marianne Berglund was from Swedenspookyload
Nov 19, 2001 9:48 PM
Sorry, I have a thing for her. Have ever since 1985 when I met her at a race. I was 15 at the time and went into hormonal overload. Totally sexist, but man she is a hotty. Anyone know if she is still racing. I saw her again in 1996 riding for some Body Wise company or something like that and she still looked great a decade later. She is the one in the middle in this picture. Sorry this was way off topic. All that good history getting interupted by a human sexuality class.
Quite all right. I find her very relevant.Sintesi
Nov 20, 2001 7:16 AM
Please feel free to post more pictures in order to aid this and other discussions on the future.