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Something I never thought I'd hear(9 posts)

Something I never thought I'd hearmickey-mac
Nov 15, 2001 9:45 PM
Did anyone listen to the Q and A session with Putin this evening on NPR? Most of the questions came from listeners, though call-ins and e-mails. I thought it was a fascinating hour of radio. Twenty years ago, I never would have imagined that the leader of Russia/USSR would appear on U.S. radio, fielding questions from U.S. citizens on everything from domestic rebellion (Chechnya) to martial arts. Among the more interesting portions of the session was Putin using "we" and "us" when referring to the campaign in Afghanistan. When queried, Putin stated the Russia definitely considers itself an integral part of the global campaign against terrorism and a full supporter of the actions in Afghanistan. Whatever his motivations in the current U.S. trip in general and the radio appearance in particular, it was an impressive appearance and seemed to be a positive sign for future U.S.-Russian relations.
the world is a different placeDog
Nov 16, 2001 9:02 AM
This is not the same world we knew even 20 years ago.

Kids starting college now may not even know what the "nuclear clock" (can't recall the name for sure) is, and that it was "2 minutes to midnight" for many years.

They barely know what LP's are. I didn't get a CD player until around 1990.

VHS was still an expensive novelty around 1981.

They have no idea that the U.S. Olympic hockey team victory caused grown men to weep like babies.

They certainly have no memory of bomb shelters or drills under your desk in case of nuclear way. The movie "The Day After" was chilling (I lived in Kansas City at the time).

The computer I used in college was a mainframe at UCLA, connected by phone line to the campus at Fresno State. Fresno State did not have its own computer. It took punch cards. You had to sign up for computer time like it was a precious commodity.

OJ was a hero.

Carter boycotted the Olympics because the USSR invaded Afghanistan.

People used CB's in their cars, not cell phones.

There was one HBO channel.

MTV actually had music videos.

Lots of change, but I'd say mostly for the better.

Doug
The Day AfterErik W
Nov 16, 2001 3:44 PM
I remember the day after. I'm not sure when that came out but I believe I was in my early teens. It scared the crap out of me. I took a class in college called Strategic Weapons and Arms Control. That scared the crap out of me too.
re: Something I never thought I'd hearMe Dot Org
Nov 16, 2001 9:09 AM
I remember Nikita Khrushchev banging his shoe on the table at the United Nations, and telling diplomats at a reception "We will bury you".

His son is now a permanent resident of the United States.
buryDog
Nov 16, 2001 9:19 AM
The comment was commonly thought to mean that the USSR would kill people. What it really meant was that, as with a younger person to an older person, "I'll be around after you die, and will be here to put you in the ground." Not mean spirited, just an expression meant to say they would outlast us. Of course, he was way off.

That's funny about his son. I'd bet he owns a McDonalds or something. Wouldn't that be funny?

Saying it doesn't make it so. Communism (at least their form of it) was a lot of talk that doesn't fit reality.

Doug
An economic speachErik W
Nov 16, 2001 3:41 PM
The "we will bury you speech" was about economics. Khruschev was saying that the Soviet's socialist economy would ultimately out do our western capitalist economy.
The exact quoteMe Dot Org
Nov 26, 2001 11:15 AM
"About the capitalist states, it doesn't depend on you
whether or not we exist. If you don't like us, don't accept
our invitations, and don't invite us to come and see you.
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will
bury you."
- Soviet Premier Nikita Sergeyevich
Khrushev (1894-1971) at a reception for
Wladyslaw Gomulka at the Polish Embassy,
Moscow, November 18, 1956.
ah, but the meaning...Dog
Nov 26, 2001 12:32 PM
I had a linguistics (my minor) professor in college who spoke Russian and spent some time there (in China, too -- very interesting guy). He said that the meaning of the "bury you" phrase was that they would outlast us. They would be around longer. The living bury the dead, in other words. He seemed to know what he was talking about. Most people took it the wrong way, though, thinking it meant that they would kill us. Not so.

Doug
I agree with youMe Dot Org
Nov 29, 2001 10:22 AM
Khrushev believed that the Soviets would outlast the U.S. It wasn't a reference to war.

His son may bury us, but only if he gets a job as a gravedigger...