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rookie- with questions(8 posts)

rookie- with questionsoldnslow
Feb 1, 2004 5:19 PM
my bike shop can sell me a 2004 10sp. veloce full bike kit which is everything(including mavic cosmos whlset,carbon seatpost,tires,saddle,etc.) for a bike except the frame and fork..my question is what frame and fork would you get for 400.00..or am i wrong in trying to piece together a bike like this. The bike shop has an orbea bike with veloce on it for 1600.00..what suggestions do you have and thanks for your response......
How much is the veloce?torquecal
Feb 1, 2004 5:47 PM
Personally, I'd go with the 1600.00 orbea (as long as it fits). You can get good frames and forks for $400 but you'll be shopping some, and then there's the cost of putting everything together (I'm making an assumption here that you wouldn't do it yourself).

From your post I can't tell how much your LBS is going to charge for the veloce, or what your upper price limit for a total bike is (I'm guessing $1600).
How much is the veloce?oldnslow
Feb 1, 2004 6:09 PM
sorry, i forgot to mention the price for everything, it would cost 975.00 for all including installation, except frame and fork...david
Check out Garytorquecal
Feb 1, 2004 6:13 PM
www.gvh.com has a great selection of frames, some in your price range...

which orbea model is your dealer offering?
You're thinking sdrawkcabElefantino
Feb 1, 2004 6:17 PM
sorry. couldn't resist.

anyway, what i mean is that you should be looking at the best frame first, components later. brakes stop you, drivetrains change gears ... but a frame is what you ride.

you can always upgrade components. but a good frame that fits you and rides like you want it to ride is the foundation on which all cycling is built.

fwiw,
mike
rider--with some possible answersAndy M-S
Feb 2, 2004 7:39 AM
OK. There are any number of excellent frames available in the price range you're thinking of--Lickton's has the Basso Gap for a little more, you can get a Surly or Kogswell for a bit less, etc. Heck, if you can slide your numbers up a little, you can get a Habanero Ti frame.

Me? I like my lugged steel Kogswell ($300 shipped with long-reach brakes that will work fine with your levers). See it here:

http://www.kogswellowners.com/newpix/index.php?album=AndrewMerchantShapiro&dispsize=512&start=0

But there are others. It depends on what you want to do. I built this bike for long, moderately-paced rides; for crits, your bike might be a little different. The Orbea sounds nice as well.

So--what kind of riding do you plan to do? Have you ridden frames of various materials/designs?
rider--with some possible answersoldnslow
Feb 2, 2004 8:40 AM
let me see if i can get all my info right...i am wanting a frame with carbon fork in the 400.00 price range--i have ridden cannondale, giant, bianchi, trek, lemond..with that said, i liked the steel lemond zurich the best but it was out of my price range, also rode a friends cannondale caad 3 with susp.seatpost that was quick and fast but was soft on the rearend. the orbea bike was a marmolada(spelling)veloce bike 2004 10spd. with campy vento wheelset for 1600.00, the bike shop would charge 975.00 to install a 2004 10spd.veloce grouppo, mavic cosmos whl.set and all items needed for a bike except frame,fork, and pedals..does anyone ride an alum.frame with susp.seatpost, anyone know much about tsunami frames or other frame with carbon fork in this price range. even if i don't purchase any parts or frame and fork from the bike shop they will install and setup a bike for 125.00..so would you buy a grouppo and or frame,fork from an online retailer and have bike shop install the items or what...i am 45yrs.old and been riding mtb.for 5yrs and want to start riding on the road....david
rider--with some possible answersAndy M-S
Feb 2, 2004 10:03 AM
OK. First off, why a suspension seatpost? On the road, that's not going to do that much for you except (potentially) mess up your spin. Next: carbon forks are cool, but for $400, you'll be spending around $150+ for a halfway-decent CF fork, leaving you with much less for the frame. It can probably be done, but a well-designed steel frame (while a tad heavier) is going to give you as good a ride as you can get with alu/carbon, for a lot less money.

But my question was more about the KINDS of rides you want to do. Racing? Touring? Group rides? JRA? Commuting?

These are the factors that really should influence things. Veloce is nice, you'll like it...but the frame you're putting it on--that depends on what you want to do with it.

Weight is also a factor--MTBs tend to be (AFAIK) relatively overbuilt. If you're a heavier rider, then there are some road bikes (and some wheelsets) upon which you should not park yourself. The Vento wheelset, for example, is a low-spoke-count unit. If you're 160# or more, you may want to reconsider. Cosmos are nice wheels, but look at the discussions here--you can get well-built wheelsets for the same or less that use standard parts.

If it were me, I'd find the frame/fork I want, buy the parts either from the LBS or the best web site I could, have someone build the wheels for me (Colorado Cyclist does a nice job) and have the LBS face and chase as needed.

Then I'd sit down and assemble the thing myself...