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Could have called this one(21 posts)

Could have called this oneInspector Gadget
Jan 31, 2004 5:30 AM
Well, Cipo, you certainly don't disappoint, nor do you surprise. One month after announcing your Olympic bid, you now reverse faster than your Ferarri. Time to hang it up and call it a career with whatever grace is left. And there's not much left; Can't finish races, renig on your word, never finished a TdF, and your antics have helped relegate your team to division 2. Your glorious past is just that-past. If you can't grab legitimate headlines based on merit, stop making a mockery of the sport with your tabloid-style of late. Like so many recent races, abandon this one to your Ferarri.
Who wants to take this one??(nm)merckx56
Jan 31, 2004 7:31 AM
Nevermind, I'll do it myself!merckx56
Jan 31, 2004 7:52 AM
1990:
Tour of Italy: Stage 13
Tour of Italy: Stage 20
1991:
Tour of Italy: Stage 3
Tour of Italy: Stage 7
Tour of Italy: Stage 21
Grand Prix de L`Escaut
1992:
Tour of Italy: Points
Tour of Italy: Stage 5
Tour of Italy: Stage 8
Tour of Italy: Stage 17
Tour of Italy: Stage 21
Ghent-Wevelgem Classic
1993:
Tour de France: Stage 1
Ghent-Wevelgem Classic
Grand Prix de L`Escaut
Grand Prix E3 - Harelbeke
1994:
1995:
Tour de France: Stage 2
Tour de France: Stage 4
Tour of Italy: Stage 4
Tour of Italy: Stage 1
Tour of Italy: Stage 3
1996:
Tour de France: Stage 2
Tour of Italy: Stage 4
Tour of Italy: Stage 8
Tour of Italy: Stage 11
Tour of Italy: Stage 18
1997:
Tour de France: Stage 1
Tour de France: Stage 2
Tour of Italy: Points
Tour of Italy: Stage 1
Tour of Italy: Stage 2
Tour of Italy: Stage 4
Tour of Italy: Stage 10
Tour of Italy: Stage 22
1998:
Tour de France: Stage 5
Tour de France: Stage 6
Tour of Italy: Stage 5
Tour of Italy: Stage 7
Tour of Italy: Stage 8
Tour of Italy: Stage 10
1999:
Tour de France: Stage 4
Tour de France: Stage 5
Tour de France: Stage 6
Tour de France: Stage 7
Tour of Italy: Stage 2
Tour of Italy: Stage 10
Tour of Italy: Stage 12
Tour of Italy: Stage 17
2000:
Tour of Italy: Stage 4
2001:
Tour of Italy: Stage 6
Tour of Italy: Stage 9
Tour of Italy: Stage 19
Tour of Italy: Stage 21
2002:
World Champion
Tour of Italy: Points
Tour of Italy: Stage 1
Tour of Italy: Stage 3
Tour of Italy: Stage 9
Tour of Italy: Stage 15
Tour of Italy: Stage 18
Tour of Italy: Stage 20
Tour of Spain: Stage 3
Tour of Spain: Stage 4
Tour of Spain: Stage 7
Milan-San Remo Classic
Ghent-Wevelgem Classic
2003:
Tour of Italy: Stage 8
Tour of Italy: Stage 9

Looks like the man has finished quite a few races to me! Maybe he's a bit too flamboyant for some folks' tastes, but you can't argue with his record. As for bowing out of the Olympics, It's all about scheduling, and time to properly prepare for a completely different discipline than he's used to. Look at the photos of the Domina team presentation. He's looking pretty fit, unlike a certain Teutonic cyclist who just a very few years ago came back after the off-season and looked as though he'd be locked in the Twinkies factory (but people still loved him).
As for never finishing the Tour, who cares. 42 stages wins in the Giro, 12 Tour stage wins, a WC jersey, MSR, and Gent two times, more than makes up for never finishing the Tour.
And before you begin to spout about his antics causing Domina to be in D2 this year, check the facts! They didn't get the finances in order before the cutoff date for inclusion in D1. That's THE reason and only reason for them being in D2 for 2004.
Cipo is the winningest active pro cyclist, look it up!
Sometimes the world needs men of character, who aren't afraid to fly in the face of convention. Cipo is one of those men, and I thank him for it!
Like I said...Inspector Gadget
Jan 31, 2004 8:30 AM
The past is glorious. I certainly don't dispute that. But it seems to have gone to his head. The world certainly needs men of character. Maybe he was once, but Cipo is no longer, at least not in the positive sense.
How long have you been following cycling?Spoiler
Jan 31, 2004 8:37 AM
So what has he done in the past to show character that he no longer does? Cipo hasn't changed a bit. If anything, he's mellowed.
re: Could have called this onecollinsc
Jan 31, 2004 8:39 AM
The word you were looking for was "renege"
Sponsor obligations?orange_julius
Jan 31, 2004 9:18 AM
Domina Vacanze / Elitron probably gets more publicity
from Cipo riding Tour de France in their colors than
Cipo riding the olympics in Italy's colors. This could
be the deciding factor in his decision.

For all his flamboyance, Cipo is a really hardworking
and calculating athlete. Otherwise he would have had to
quit years ago. Inevitably he has to pick his battles
and the choice is not exclusively his to make.

Also, I think his flamboyance actually deserves some credit.
He makes cycling more fun to watch, and he made the doping
episodes of the late 90's easier to bear. Any sport needs
a little bit of glam to attract new, more diverse
audiences :-).
Sponsor obligations?Spoiler
Jan 31, 2004 4:58 PM
The race he back down on the the individual persuit. This takes an entirely different training than grand tours or one-day races. That's the reason he won't be doing it.

"I looked at the schedule and between Milan-San Remo and the first World Cup in Manchester on April 11 it seems to be difficult to do any special preparation for the pursuit," he said.
Everyone has there own opinion!!!GeoCyclist
Jan 31, 2004 10:03 AM
I watched Cipo and Alessandro battle for the line in Catania last May. I, and thousands of Italians standing around me, sure didn't think Cipo had seen his better days. He got edged at the line by Alessandro, but you got to appreciate the effort it took to get there. A few days later he took number 42 and showed the world he's still a world class sprinter. I for one would love to see Cipo and Alessandro battle it out in Tour.
the word is "their" nm.jaybird
Jan 31, 2004 7:43 PM
Jealous53T
Jan 31, 2004 11:30 AM
Cipo is the man. How many GT stage wins do you have?
At this point in my career:4bykn
Jan 31, 2004 12:00 PM
If you total all my GT stage wins (and probably all of the other members here) the number probably coincides with the numbers of Cipo's wins.

Coincidence? You be the judge.

Ride in Peace...Mike
Please disregard, neural flatulence. nm4bykn
Jan 31, 2004 12:05 PM
At this point in my career:4bykn
Jan 31, 2004 12:02 PM
If you total all my GT stage wins (and probably all of the other members here) the number probably coincides with the number of Cipo's GT stage wins minus the number of Cipo's GT stage wins!

Coincidence? You be the judge.

Ride in Peace...Mike
Definitely not...Inspector Gadget
Jan 31, 2004 12:45 PM
I don't race, and don't pretend to be a racer. So the answer to your question is "zero." The only person I envy is OwMyNads, my riding partner, who has only ridden one year, is six years older than me, and has kicked my butt in every ride since July.
As for Cipo, he was once THE man. Now, I think he is a has been who has found a flamboyant way to skirt around it. But I certainly could never beat him on my best day versus his worst day. But biking is not my job. It IS his. [Actually I MIGHT be able to take him or Petacchi on a climb. On second thought, probably not Petacchi. His car is faster than my bike. :-) ]
Definitely not...yeah right
Jan 31, 2004 1:45 PM
I hope you're kidding about the climbing part. As slow as they seem, Cipo and Petacchi, would whoop up on you and most people, even cat racers, up any climb, but you probably can't carry a 45mph sprint, which he still can.

So, he only won a few races last year, which was a bad year for him. That's still more than 99% of the PRO peloton. Don't go calling out people when they're still winning. So he thinks about going back to the track, and decides against it. The difference is every time you change your mind it doesn't end up in the paper.
Definitely kidding (nm)Inspector Gadget
Jan 31, 2004 1:52 PM
Tactical Master or Idiot Savant?owmynads
Feb 1, 2004 9:23 AM
I'll admit I've NOT been following cycling for more than a year, but given this man's palmares and his antics, he's either read Sun Tzu's "Art of War" and is just blowing smoke screen all over the place (e.g. "Appear weak or disorganized when you are strong and tight") or he's like the cariacture of that Versacci broad on SNL- just completely detached from the moorings.

Though neither I nor any of my compadres here have even "shoveled a glimpse into the ditch" of this man's mystery, I'll admit, he does keep it interesting. It does make me laugh when I see this guy "get in the car" and dismiss a major race with the wave of the back of his hand. Palmares or no, it's that diva-like arrogance and behavior that makes him such a spectacle. And it keeps me watching, scouring for news. Especially in this cold winter, when the only palmares I'll get are the ones I grant myself for not falling off the rollers in the cellar.
hmm, funny....bigdeal
Jan 31, 2004 1:25 PM
now it looks like someone trying to take back or downplay what they said before..... ;)

the man's worn the Maillot Jaune, that's enough for me.
Oh yeah, I think his middle name is Frederico. nmjaybird
Jan 31, 2004 7:46 PM
It might just a vast right wing conspiracy that is at fault. nmjaybird
Jan 31, 2004 7:49 PM