|this is far too much...||Kaboom|
Jan 27, 2004 11:59 AM
|I've seen all kinds of ridiculous stuff like ultra-light bottle cages costing 200 bucks or stems for the same price. but who would serioulsy buy a wheelset costing 3 grand? you really have to be out of ur mind (bear in mind i said BUY, getting it from an sponsor is a fully different story) the wheelset in question is the Zipp Z4. I must admit that an 80 gram rim is impressive but DAMN for that price u can get an AWESOME new bike with D/A and Ksyriums!|
|Campy carbon clinchers are $3k in the new Excel catalog nm||Dave Hickey|
Jan 27, 2004 12:04 PM
|I'll take two please...Two PAIR that is...||biknben|
Jan 27, 2004 12:19 PM
I like to know if they've actually sold any to retail customers. They only made a limited number and they distribute many to pros. How many could be left? Is it realiztic to think you could just stop by an authorized dealer and order a pair? They can sell them at any price they want. Especially if none are ever available for sale.
I'll stand corrected if someone has actually seem these wheels on the road. The only pics I've seen of these wheels in action are on Zipp's web site and on Tyler's TDF bike.
|New Reynolds clinchers are $2k+ : It's just silly||Gator|
Jan 27, 2004 12:28 PM
|I don't get it, either. Is there any rider who's not already sponsored that is SO good that the ONLY way he or she can possibly get any faster is to drop $2,000 on wheels? I mean, wouldn't 20 cents worth of dietary fiber accomplish the same thing?|
|Your bowels are rotating weight?||Coolhand|
Jan 28, 2004 6:50 AM
Carbon clinchers are way pricey this year due to the insane amount of work it took to develop them. Like any other tech product the early adopters pay the price for being on the cutting edge.
Oh course you can get 80% of the performance with a set of well proven Carbon tubbies set or a set of the nice Rolf Elans at a 1/3 of the price.
Money wise, it is still a better deal then the loads of cash people drop on high-end stereo crap, golf crap, or spinner wheels for their tarted up neon-clad imports with the oversized non-functional wings on the back, as you will actually get better performance.
If you have the money, why is this sillier then anything else?
Coolhand (rides Record/DT Revos/Open Pros)
|should we revisit the 16k bike? (nm)||rdbike|
Jan 27, 2004 1:00 PM
|re: this is far too much...||happycx|
Jan 27, 2004 1:26 PM
|So, if you took off $500.00 from the list price, would they be included under the "hot deals" portion of this site? Just wondering....
With a tag like that, they should have been called "Stradavarius".
|Those prices are wrong.....||CARBON110|
Jan 27, 2004 1:48 PM
|Unless you just like paying to much. Reynolds clinchers can be had NEW for 1350$ which is almost reasonable and I am getting a pair =D The Z4 and Z3s can be had for 2250.00 a pair NEW. Not sure about campy clinchers since I never pay attention to campy but I know the Hyperon clinchers can behad for 1999.00 a pair. It is all about resource, bartering and delivery. Sure you can pay 4999.99 for a new Madone or you can pay 4200.00 and no tax. I'm sure I could find a gallon of Milk for 4 bucks at the Mobile while 2 hundred yards away at Shaws or Harris Teeter I can get it for 2.35 a gallon.
The only wheels I can se ethat are just stupid for what you get are Colnago Carbonizmo clinchers at $1600 a pair that way something like 1900 grams ... BAH!
|In Excels case, when Campy came out the carbon Record.||Dave Hickey|
Jan 27, 2004 2:02 PM
|cranks, they were listed at $899(I was looking at an old catalog last night). I'm sure they had a limited supply and if you wanted to be the first on your block to have carbon Record, you'll pay $899.
I'm sure the same applies for the Hyperion clinchers. Their latest catalog has them listed for $3000+
Jan 27, 2004 1:45 PM
|3K for super high end, super aerodynamic, super light weight, super stiff race wheels makes more sense to me than $700+ for an at best, okay set of ksyriums that are nice fancy wheels for parading in front of folks at the group ride but not what you could call aerodynamic race wheels.
Me, I would not pay more than $300 for a set of wheels, but the point is that those Cat 1,2 pro riders that are competitive and need a few seconds edge or just the equipment to hang on need the right equipment and that type of equipment costs money.
I would also argue that wheels are the most import investment in speed on a bicycle, you can throw tons of money at a frame and groupo but that really buys no or very little speed. With wheels you can truely buy speed.
|Disagree||Woof the dog|
Jan 27, 2004 6:33 PM
|It doesn't make sense. There are limits on the bike weight in TDF. Tyler apparently had these wheels on his bike at the expense of some other heavier components.
|The limit is the UCI limit of around 15 pounds||Coolhand|
Jan 28, 2004 6:57 AM
|Which is pretty low. As you know rotating weight is the key, so it is better to have those super-light wheels, pedals and cranks, and to add a heavier (and more comfortable for those 178 K days) saddle or heavier all carbon bar/stem combos to add a bit of weight in the event your ride comes in under the UCI limit.
|The limit is the UCI limit of around 15 pounds||Woof the dog|
Jan 28, 2004 4:38 PM
|I am aware of that, but please! I would be worried of reliability. Maybe thats why I am not a pro - because I am afraid to ride 80 gram rims in TDF.
|I did think seriously about spending that much on wheels.||bimini|
Jan 28, 2004 8:29 AM
|It was a set of wheels Tyler Hamilton rode in the 2003 TdF time trials and were signed by Tyler and had complete documentation as to authenticity.
It was on ebay a few months back being sold by a reputable charity.
I would of bid seriously on them were it not for the fact that my wife would not ever understand the the "need" to spend that much money on a couple of bicycle wheels.
To me a the set would be worth a few thousand (and if/when Tyler wins a TdF they would be worth a lot more),
|It's all about disposable income||ColnagoFE|
Jan 27, 2004 1:49 PM
|I think it's crazy that some ladies spend $1000 on a pair of shoes, but people do. If there are enough people willing to pony up the 3k then they will make stuff like this. At 200 pounds I think I'll pass on a 80 gram rim no matter what they make it out of.|
Jan 27, 2004 3:56 PM
|I'm gonna put a pair on my Dogma Ego.|
|Tyler rode the Z3's in his stage win||zipptrek|
Jan 27, 2004 5:44 PM
|The zipp 303 Z3"s are the wheels Tyler hamilton was using when he ran away with the stage and won. Check out the Zipp website At Zipp.com. There is some pretty interesting technology behind those wheels.
Its all relative to how much money you make. I'm sure Robin Williams wouldn't be worried about spending that much on a set of wheels.
|2nd the Robin Williams factor!||TNRyder|
Jan 27, 2004 7:55 PM
|re: this is far too much...||kanekikapu|
Jan 27, 2004 8:31 PM
|3g's for a set of wheels is seriously way too much and i still ponder with that many company in the arena, why can't it be cheaper without compromising anything...
seriosuly tho, with 3g's, forget about zipp's, reynold's, hed, blah blah but maybe we should spent in on ADA wheels http://www.ada.prorider.org/ they're the only set of wheels that worth 3 grand to buy. they are the wheels ridden by pro's during races... even lance paid his money for a custom pair before the team start using the bontragers...
|Wait a sec - the rim weighs how much?||OffTheBack|
Jan 28, 2004 4:20 AM
|80 grams is a typo, right? What is it really, 280? Or 180? Someone clue me in please.|
|According to Zipp, 260 grams||Dave Hickey|
Jan 28, 2004 4:52 AM
|From Zipps website:
"The 38mm deep Mid-v Z3 rims are meticulously hand crafted from five different types of carbon/graphite fiber using the most advanced realization of our proprietary ICT process to date, including ZIPP's exclusive new VCLC (Visco-Elastic Constrained Layer Control) technology. Average rim weight is decreased to an incredible 260 grams while strength and stiffness are maintained at a level equal to that of traditional rims weighing more than 50% more. "
Jan 28, 2004 7:59 AM
|What's the going price on those bad boys (rims only, if they offer it). I need a set of 28 hole rims for some wheels I'm building.|
|$350 each (nm)||terzo rene|
Jan 28, 2004 9:17 AM
|not all cyclist are poor penny pinchers||beattle2|
Jan 28, 2004 10:29 AM
|Come on who cares how much it costs? If you could afford it you would buy it. If your making 100k a month tell me you wouldn't consider those wheels. Yes not everyone can afford a set of 3k wheels but not everyone can afford a Ferrari either. Some people (cyclists included) would think it "ridiculous" to spend 5k on a complete bike or even 3k for that matter. It's all relative. 3k for possibly the most high-tech wheels doesn't seem bad.|
|Theres a difference in being able to afford it and respecting||bimini|
Jan 28, 2004 11:57 AM
|myself after I bought it.
If I were a Cat 1,2 and was good enough that these wheels would make a real difference in my race placement I would buy them without hesitation. They sound like great equipment in the right hands.
But, unfortunately, I'm a Cat 5 Masters 40+ racer that is a penny pincher. I could not respect myself if I spent that much money on a set of wheels. Not only that, I would be embarressed posing at the start line on a $3K set of wheels. I'm sure I would look like a fool, 3K and still not having a snowballs chance in hell of winning the race. God, if there were mirrors out on the starting line I would probably catch myself laughing at the fool in the mirror. More money than brains. With my beater bike and OP wheels at least when I finish well I feel good and if I don't I can blame the bike.
|Geared towards serioius riders NOT racers!||davidxy|
Jan 28, 2004 3:35 PM
|Many people are serious riders who have the money to buy this stuff, and it's this market Campagnolo is looking towards. What jackass who races for fun(which is anyone on this board)who would risk crashing with these wheels!!? No, the high-end market is focused to serious riders (enthusiast) who like really nice stuff.|| |