|Hincapie Trek Frame Size?||Slow|
Jan 27, 2004 10:14 AM
|Does anyone know what size Trek Hincapie Rides? 58cm? 60? 62?|
|re: Hincapie Trek Frame Size?||geeker|
Jan 27, 2004 10:25 AM
|I once saw one of his old GTs on eBay (it was too pricey, and relisted several times), and it was 60cm c-c, 59cm tt, looked to have somewhat of a head tube extension. So I'm pretty sure that his Trek carbon bike would be a 62 (measured c-top of st collar). However, in some old photos (TTs iirc) Hincapie seems to be riding a non-carbon bike, probably rebadged aluminum. Not sure what size that'd be.|
|re: 62, 140 stem, 46 bars Deep...||teoteoteo|
Jan 27, 2004 10:43 AM
|175 cranks, yada yada|
|re: 62, 140 stem, 46 bars Deep...||Drone 5200|
Jan 27, 2004 11:09 AM
|and what looks like about 1cm of spacers. Go George!|
|140 stem? That's long -- used to slow steering?||hrv|
Jan 27, 2004 11:45 AM
|What reasons for such a long stem? They use smallish bikes for weight savings/stiffness? Looked up and found 1 answer I never thought of, on the slowtwitch site:
.....Because of the speeds these guys achieve going downhill, they use pretty long stems to slow down the steering reaction of the bikes
Any other reasons?
|140 stem? That's long -- used to slow steering?||laffeaux|
Jan 27, 2004 11:52 AM
|Another reason is that is the largest frame that Trek makes. Once you're on the largest size, you use whatever stem works to make the bike fit.
Trek, claims that pro riders use stock frames. Maybe this proves that.
|that sounds odd...||russw19|
Jan 27, 2004 12:59 PM
|When I am hitting 60 mph on a descent and I need to turn, I don't turn the wheel or the bars, I lean into the turn. How would a longer stem affect that?
BTW, I like long stems. They help me fit my torso and arms to a bike. They get my elbows a little bit further forward so I don't hit them with my knees in the drops. But I really think it's more psychological than anything else, I mean really, how much is 20mm? And how is that extra 20mm going to really affect the bike's steering speed that much? Seriously, does it really make that much of a difference, or is it just psychological? It's less than an inch.
|What about Ullrich's 150 on flat stages? 135 in mountains.||BIG RING|
Jan 27, 2004 1:07 PM
|What about it????||russw19|
Jan 27, 2004 2:55 PM
|Really, I mean that, what about it? What are you getting at? Could he prefer the 150 on flat days because he will be trying to get lower and more aero, whereas in the mountains he tends to ride on the tops when he climbs. Remember, Jan almost never gets out of the saddle when he climbs. It brings the bars closer to his upper body. He will have to lean over slightly less and it may open up his lungs slightly more. But Jan is a notoriously poor descender on mountain stages. I doubt that this is helping him any, but I don't think the longer stem slowing the steering down is changing anything. I just don't think he has the confidence and bike handling skills of someone who descends really really well, like Paolo Salvadelli.
I asked my question to hopefully see if there is something to this idea besides allegory and traditional old wives' tales. Is there? I would really like to know... I could stand to learn a few things that would help me ride faster these days.
|re: Hincapie Trek Frame Size?||benInMA|
Jan 27, 2004 3:31 PM
|There is no need to slow the steering at high speed... the gyroscopic forces of the wheels take care of that. Changing the stem won't overcome that.
Much more noticeable on a motorcycle than a bicycle but you can feel it on a road bike just fine.
I think the positioning has more to do with why he uses a huge stem. Making the bars wider will have more of an effect on steering effort than having a longer stem.. If you are making the mistake of pushing down through the bars to turn than you will mistakenly think a longer stem speeds steering because it will change the angle you're pushing at to be closer to horizontal. If you take care to apply a horizontal force to the bars you'll turn with a lot less effort. (Also keeping your arms relaxed is key)
All of this stuff is detailed in motorcycle racing books, the same stuff applies for a bicycle. Leaning doesn't do a hell of a lot, it's just that when you lean to the inside you turn the bars.
I'm sure Hincapie knows all this stuff... maybe someone like Jan who is a bad descender doesn't though?
|re: Hincapie Trek Frame Size?||fredstaple|
Jan 27, 2004 5:48 PM
|Trying to guess why he rides with this or that is a waste of time. He rides what he likes and what is good for him in a race. It probably changes depending on the ride and the frame. Ask the man if you really want to know.|| |