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The best "all show no go" product you've seen...(39 posts)

The best "all show no go" product you've seen...Kaboom
Jan 26, 2004 9:20 AM
What are the most "all show no go" products you have ever seen/owned? Post pictures if possible!
I think the worst are the 100$ campy carbon cages...
Continental super sonics -nm-CARBON110
Jan 26, 2004 9:27 AM
No, Conti SuperSonics are the HeatSchvonzie
Jan 26, 2004 10:30 AM
Those tires were the heat. Some of the best RACE tires i ever had. If you bought them knowing that you could only get about 500 miles out of them, then they were awesome, but if you expected them to last you a while, i can see how you had problems
Well I'm glad someone likes them butCARBON110
Jan 26, 2004 10:43 AM
My expectations were for them to last more then two rides. I hit my brakes to avoid a car and shredded the back one completely. I didn't even stop that hard =( I was out practicing TTing in aero bars with time splits. I did have them pumped up pretty high but just the same they are so damn soft and skinny I hatem
re: The best "all show no go" product you've seen...Spoiler
Jan 26, 2004 9:49 AM
Sidi road shoes with the revolutionary Stiffness Adjustment
Mechanism. They truly have a stiffness range from deerskin moccasins to Dutch wood shoes.
re: The best "all show no go" product you've seen...feathers mcgraw
Jan 26, 2004 10:23 AM
Doesn't that make them 'all go'?
Actually53T
Jan 26, 2004 12:05 PM
They have the stiffnessrange from a stiff, plastic-soled shoe to a plastic, stiff-soled shoe.
Anything named Kuota. nmSpunout
Jan 26, 2004 9:57 AM
what was your experience: frames or components ? n.m.G-T-
Jan 27, 2004 6:54 AM
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Mavic Ksyrium Wheelset...biknben
Jan 26, 2004 10:59 AM
I'm going out on a limb here because I know that there are many who love these wheels. I just don't get it. They are not nearly as light as everyone thinks they are. They aren't aero either. They are stiff and maybe durable (for most). You can make a stiff wheelset out of DA/OPs that will weigh the same at less than half the price. They seem pretty bombproof until, finally, something goes wrong. Have fun trying to find a spoke at the LBS. I've heard this a couple times, "I didn't have to true them for two years. Then I broke a spoke and waited 6 weeks for a new one."

IMO, they are good at many things but great at nothing. For anywhere near $800 they are down right laughable. Please stop being so gullible people.
haaa! I agree!JPRider
Jan 26, 2004 11:02 AM
There are so many other options out there at that price level and performance, or same performance and lower price level (campy protons, anyone?).
Ditto Ditto Ditto...Shylock
Jan 26, 2004 3:48 PM
....My open pro/Revolution/record wheels s might have been slightly flexier, but they were also lighter than the Ksyriums. As boutique wheelsets go, they just might be the most reliable, but what added performance does one really gain with the Ksyriums?

Hence the reason I waited until someone like Rolf built a similarly priced (and nearly as stiff) wheelset as the ksyrium, but with the added bonus of a considerable weight savings.

So while we're on the topic of the biggest dissapointment in cycling, I'd like to also suggest that one of the great stories this year, especially once you assess the competition (Zipp, Reynolds, Mavic) , is Rolf.

Feel the gin
HA! Them's fightin' words!KG 361
Jan 26, 2004 4:51 PM
Disagree-big time. They are the only wheelset that I've had that I haven't had to true and they roll forever. They are now on their 4th year and still no trueing required. Yes, there are lighter, yes there are more aero, but no wheelset has that comination of wt, durability and aero than K's have. In comparisn, I have a set of Open Pros that have lessthan 1k miles on them and guess what? They need trued. BTW-if you look around, you can get K's for way less than 8 bills. (I paid less than 5)
Ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto...lyleseven
Jan 26, 2004 7:00 PM
The K's are bombproof wheels. Yes, I own a set of custom built that are cheaper and faster and I own a set of OPs that are terrific. But, all around, the K's are the most reliable, true and overall best wheelset I own. If they had put these on Hummers in Iraq, we would have already won the war over there!!!!
I vote for K's.6was9
Jan 26, 2004 8:26 PM
They are the wheels for all occasion. Out of all the wheelsets I have I ride my trusty K's the most and not-a-problem-whatsoever.
Even worse: Shimano Dura-Ace CN7700 WheelsCoolhand
Jan 27, 2004 7:13 AM
Heavy, expensive, hard to find parts (worse then Mavic even) not particularly aero either. Heavy rim means poor rotating weight to make up for the low spoke count gimmick.

Shimano's poorly inspired "me too" efforts at system road wheels are a complete joke. Over priced, overweight, not too aero, and not that fast. Umm, why should anyone buy these over the regular D/A hubs? Makes the more proven Mavic's look like a steal.

Their mountain wheels suck too.
...ANY of the Shimano "boutique" wheels...The Walrus
Jan 28, 2004 11:47 AM
I traded an old MTB frameset for a set of the R535 wheels--after a year and a half, I still haven't figured out what they're supposed to be good for. Granted, they have not gone even slightly out of true (which amazes me, since as a Clydesdale I shouldn't even ride these--and they're on a 'cross bike!), but they are
i heavy.
I use various combinations of CXPs, MA3s and OPs on 105, LX and Ultegra hubs on my other bikes, and any of these wheelsets are better, in terms of acceleration, speed and handling.

Ahh, well--at least the R535s
i look
trick....
late 90's Nike mtn shoesJPRider
Jan 26, 2004 11:00 AM
notably Air Cairns (sp?) as they were pretty pricy. I stepped down into the Yuhas (or Yuha Plus') and broke those, as did all five people I know who bought the Cairns. All of the breaks were the same - split in the outer sole.
Dogma Ego at $13000? nmNo_sprint
Jan 26, 2004 11:02 AM
Any bike over 4K for that matterCARBON110
Jan 26, 2004 11:16 AM
You just don't get that (2k worth) much more performance between a 2500$ bike and a 4500 bike. But I pay it anyway =/
Any manufacturer logo on a mass produced productDave Hickey
Jan 26, 2004 11:12 AM
When a manufacturer puts their logo on a regular mass produced product and sells it for more. Colnago, LOOK, Lightspeed, etc..bar tape is an example. Logos on stems and saddles are another.
I'll second that! (nm)RemmingtonShowdown
Jan 26, 2004 5:42 PM
Like Colnago watch.6was9
Jan 26, 2004 9:03 PM
Never used them myself but...cyclinseth
Jan 26, 2004 11:21 AM
titanium skewers, give me a break.

Even though I do use them, Speedplay's claim of their pedals being aerodynamic. COME ON!!!

$250 magnesium stems
Ti skewers are cheap and easy way to save 40-50g!BergMann
Jan 26, 2004 2:11 PM
Just out of curiosity, did you buy those speedplays 'cuz they're lighter?

As for Ti skewers, congratulations if you're one of those rare riders who doesn't give a **** about how much your ride weighs, but do you know another way to knock 50 grams off your bike Dura Ace or Record level bike for less than $50, _without_ making it less reliable? (i.e. thinner, whimpier tubes don't count)
Pretty much everything in cycling...TFerguson
Jan 26, 2004 12:22 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love cycling and all its toys, but I don't think there is any other sport more market and fashion driven. What really amazes me that some seem to take it seriously.

TF
Except maybe Golf!Softrider
Jan 27, 2004 7:07 AM
I agree with your point, but it is not unique to cycling. Look at just about any activity and you will see the same thing.

Golf
Fishing
etc., etc.
costly bottle cages, fancy bar tape, most Colnago paint jobs,dzrider
Jan 26, 2004 12:38 PM
team kits, other than black shorts, and lots of other things that are all about owner aesthetics.
$300 titanium chains, carbon chainrings (tie) nmOffTheBack
Jan 26, 2004 12:40 PM
$300 titanium chains, carbon chainrings (tie) nmThe Human G-Nome
Jan 26, 2004 1:36 PM
I give the slight edge to the carbon chain rings for "most show, least go". At least there was an attempt at a point when they made the titanium chain. Sure, it's not even remotely worth the price, but they meant to make something that would last longer. Designing a carbon chain ring is just laughable.
Team jerseys (that's why I ride in T-shirts) nmCory
Jan 26, 2004 2:20 PM
Actually...CurtSD
Jan 26, 2004 4:55 PM
If you time it right, team jerseys are cheaper than plain jerseys. Seems like every year at about this time you can get the previous year's team jerseys for about $20. Personally, I hate riding in T-shirts.

Later,
Curt
Agreed-Campy carbon cages. Why? I don't get it. nmKG 361
Jan 26, 2004 4:53 PM
Carbon backstays and the Merlin CieloChainstay
Jan 26, 2004 8:19 PM
The plasic disc wheel covers back in the 80's. nmjaybird
Jan 26, 2004 8:40 PM
The plasic disc wheel covers back in the 80's. nmwooden legs
Jan 26, 2004 10:25 PM
ah, but those were hot... one of my friends had a cheaper version, sort of umbrella material that streched over the spokes, it was a sweet sweet hot pink mmmmmm. although not neccisarily a bike component, i vote for accessories like this:

http://www.bikeusa.com/MERCHANT2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MSGI&Product_Code=GL9800

only $190! small price to pay for campy EVERYTHING.
Just the oppositeasgelle
Jan 27, 2004 9:20 AM
Wheel covers give all the performance of a disk wheel at 5-10% of the cost. Disk wheels have been shown to dramatically increase speed. So where's the problem?
Just the oppositerussw19
Jan 28, 2004 12:37 PM
Disclaimer... I didn't test the physics, and I have no physics degree, I am working off of reasoning alone, and I may not be the best at that at times!

Isn't the real reason a disc is so fast not so much because of the aerodynamics, and more because of the increased rotational inertia? And didn't that pretty much get shown by wheel covers (like the Uni cover) not giving anywhere near the same benefit that a true disc like a Campy Ghibli gave?

Not saying I am right, but wasn't that the case?

Russ
Campy Record and Dura Ace triple for Cat 4+5biketillyapuke
Jan 27, 2004 8:18 PM
Lets face it, if you are good enough to ride D/A and Campy Record then you probably don't need a triple. If you need a triple, then what are you doing on pro-class gear? You Cat one or two, then you can ride whatever you want. Ive never seen one of them on triple.
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