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Training: Carmicheal vs Friel... give me cliff notes version(8 posts)

Training: Carmicheal vs Friel... give me cliff notes versionfunknuggets
Jan 23, 2004 7:43 AM
Have been discussing the pros/cons of Friel's training plan with a riding buddy that is looking to add some structure to his training. He said that he had another friend who was gonna lend him the Lance/Carmicheal training plan and he asked what the difference was between Friel and Carmicheal and which would be better for him. I couldn't substantiate any of the Carmicheal stuff, so in a nutshell... can anyone that is familiar with Carmicheal give me a cliff notes version of the philosophy and basic structure... or could someone that is familiar with Carmicheal give me the pros/cons.

Or if someone wants to compare them head to head, feel free. I just want to give him an adequate answer and provide some insight to readers on the board.

Chris
Well, here's some insight into the big picture...Dwayne Barry
Jan 23, 2004 7:54 AM
every endurance training program out there is more or less the same. The differences between any two programs are going to be relatively minor. A priori, I don't know how you'd determine which is more appropriate for your friend. Just pick one, and see if it works for him. If not try another one.
Um... thanks... but really folks...funknuggets
Jan 23, 2004 9:04 AM
There has to be something different or they wouldn't keep writing different books. Comeon, someone has to know something tangible that is different...
CC: works for Lance. JF: Works for everyone else! ;-) nmSpunout
Jan 23, 2004 9:11 AM
No really, they write different...Dwayne Barry
Jan 23, 2004 9:24 AM
books because different people want to make money!
Like I said above, the principles of any endurance training program are more or less the same. The differences are relatively minor and probably inconsequential.
Pretty much the same, except CC targets the mass marketCarbonTi
Jan 23, 2004 12:03 PM
Been using Friel's guidelines for the past few years. Great book, get it, use it.

I got CC's book as a gift. Same basic stuff as Friel (and many others coaches structured training methods) but with the drivel of endless tradmarks (tm) for coining names for the different workouts. IMO this guy is over the top with this but all the neophytes that get into reading his book because they think he's Lance's coach will think he's the second coming. I'd go with Friel just to stay clear of CTS's self aggrandizing.

The training principals in Friel and CC are sound, the rest is up to you.
re: Training: Carmicheal vs Friel... give me cliff notes versionThorman
Jan 24, 2004 3:45 AM
I've studied both Friel's and Carmichael's programs and would agree that they are very similar. I also just read Ed Burke's Serious Cycling book and it's an excellent source as well. He goes a little deeper into the science than Friel or Carmichael do, but what he suggests is similar in nature.

All three programs are based on the periodization principle, which, if you're unfamiliar with, is starting with a base period and then working into a build period followed by a peak for your top event.

I'm using Friel's program and have been happy with the results. In short, if you follow any structured program you will see improvements. Then it's just a matter of learning what works best for you as you gain experience and tweaking your program to get the most out of it.

Thorman
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re: Training: Carmicheal vs Friel... give me cliff notes versionFignons_ponytail
Jan 24, 2004 8:10 AM
I like Friel. The Carmicheal book struck me as a watered-down, cheesy version of a training program. Definitely targetted to the mass-market "I wanna ride like Lance" crowd. Friel's book is the real deal.