|Poll: In 2003 how many bad encounters have you had?||cyclinseth|
Jan 21, 2004 10:33 AM
|Reading the "warning signs" post below got me to thinking how regularly this king of behavior is.
So, In the year 2003
1. how many miles did you ride?
2. When did your season start/end
3. How many encounters have you had with motorists (or at least non-cycling people) who's intent it was to cause you discomfort or harm. This does not include negligent behavior considering that the person would have acted differently if he/she were paying attention.
4. Where do you live? What setting do you normally ride in
1. I don't know - a few thousand?
2. March - December
4. NYC - Suburban to almost rural
|re: Poll: In 2003 how many bad encounters have you had?||terry b|
Jan 21, 2004 10:43 AM
|So, In the year 2003
4. Central New Mexico. Urban MUT, urban streets, nice suburban streets, funky suburban streets, rural roads.
|4K/year-round/no encounters/Portland, OR; mostly urban - nm||mdehner|
Jan 21, 2004 10:43 AM
|Ditto, but with a good number of rural miles nm||PdxMark|
Jan 21, 2004 1:24 PM
|Correction: there was one event...||PdxMark|
Jan 21, 2004 1:36 PM
|Riding the long approach to a bridge on a quiet Sunday morning, a dork in the passenger seat of an econobox leans out & shouts "HA!" just as they pass me. I jump out of my skin, of course, and then get angry.
From that point, across the bridge (the Hawthorne) and into downtown is maybe a 1/4+ mile or so. So I speed up my fixie spin and start after them. They are going 30-35 mph, but as I enter downtown from the bridge I see that they are stopped at a light. It turns green as I approach. With his window still open, I shout "Ha!" back into the dork's face. He had a very nice startled jump with a great facial expression, and I ride off.
It was a dumb thing to do. They could have decided to run me down. I like to think that the dork learned that the startle game it isn't all that much fun.
|pdx_mark: favorite portland jaunts?||mdehner|
Jan 21, 2004 1:58 PM
|mine include broadway drive/council crest, marine drive, springwater corridor (i commute portland to gresham), pete's mtn, germantown road, larch mtn, and the columbia river scenic hwy.|
|Much the same as yours...||PdxMark|
Jan 21, 2004 3:52 PM
|I live close-in NE and work downtown, so my direct commute is pretty short. I stretch it out when I can. I also like to ride up to Council Crest on the way home too. I used to ride up via 16th for a really steep climb, but on my fixed gear Mongomery is a fine workout.
I just got a book of rides from River City Bikes called Rubber to the Road, vol. 2. It has some great-looking rides that I want to try. It also benefits the BTA.
|mdehner, what do you do in gresham?||curtybirdychopper|
Jan 22, 2004 12:30 PM
|I'm from gresham, didnt think there were any jobs there!
Also, does the springwater go all the way into portland? How exactly does it get to Pdx.
|re: Poll: In 2003 how many bad encounters have you had?||Dave Hickey|
Jan 21, 2004 10:54 AM
|1. 6800 miles
3. Nothing major- couple of dogs and a few cars got too close
4. Suburban and rural roads in north Texas
|re: Poll: In 2003 how many bad encounters have you had?||gf99|
Jan 21, 2004 11:05 AM
|1. A few thousand.
2. Year round
3. A few cars passed too close for comfort.
4. NC - rural, urban, suburban
|miles, cold, cars and locale||PaulCL|
Jan 21, 2004 11:16 AM
|4005 miles - just got my goal
Season:March, ends early November. I try to get miles Nov-Feb, but its tough
Cars: A couple. One in particular. During a rainstorm, some pickup swerved into me running me off the road. I almost went down. In the slide, I tore a new tire and destroyed my rear wheel.
Where: Northern Kentucky across the river from Cincinnati, Ohio
|re: Poll: In 2003 how many bad encounters have you had?||ukiahb|
Jan 21, 2004 11:19 AM
|1. About 4000
2. All year
3. two- a passenger in a passing car blew a LOUD handheld boat horn in my ear....a few weeks later someone intentionally crossed the line to my side of the road, fortunately there was a shoulder to escape to and I didn't go down....don't think she actually would have hit me, but pretty scary all the same
4. Mendocino Co., CA (about 100 miles north of S.F.), most riding is on rural two lane roads
Jan 21, 2004 11:21 AM
|1 - 6,000 training and commuting
2 - April - November
3 - One. Hit-and-run. I was sideswiped by a car making an unannounced right turn immediately after passing me. We were both doing over 25 mph, since I had a great tailwind and was five minutes from home after a 3 hour ride. Went over the bars, yet no damage, just skin abrasions.
4 - Chicago, North Side.
|re: Poll: In 2003 how many bad encounters have you had?||PEDDLEFOOT|
Jan 21, 2004 11:26 AM
|1. 4860 Miles
3. A few close vehicles passing by.Nothing major.
4. Northern Illinois on suburban and rural country roads.Farmland mostly.
|Only one of any significance||ms|
Jan 21, 2004 11:33 AM
2. I rode in every month of the year, but January and February were low because of weather and July and August were low because of an injury.
3. Lots of obnoxius horn beeps, some yelled epithets from passing motorists, one really uncomfortable encounter: I was riding home from work at dusk. I was riding up an incline through a rough neighborhood (white, urban rednecks) wearing a Team Telekom jersey (I know, wearing pink -- "magenta" as Telekom calls it -- is asking for trouble). Three or four large teenagers (much bigger than me) were walking on the sidewalk and spotted me as I approached them. They jumped out in front of me on the street and started yelling something like "try to get by me f@gg@t." I kept my head down, accelerated and they parted when it was clear that I was not going to stop.
4. Baltimore -- two different riding settings: (1) occasional commute from home in the northwest suburbs to downtown (which varies from farily rural roads to residential neighborhoods to downtown streets); (2) rural areas north and west of the Baltimore metro area (Northern Baltimore County, Carroll County and southern Pennsylvania)
|Wonder why road cyclists are somehow associated with...||6was9|
Jan 21, 2004 12:03 PM
|being gay, even without wearing any pink; after a while, like it or not, or however little it may be, it's there. If it is wearing tights the biggest and the most macho sport is football and I suppose football players wearing tights don't count....? Maybe it's the tight colorful clothing and the pedaling movement? Guess it is all of the above? Jeez, and to think about shaving....|
|Wonder why road cyclists are somehow associated with...||ms|
Jan 21, 2004 12:21 PM
|and cyclists don't go around slapping each other on the @ss, like football players do, either. I think it has much to do with what is considered "mainstream" and what is not. When I was growing up in the 60s and 70s, soccer was popular in my neighborhood and my high school was a perennial soccer champion. But, soccer was not very mainstream in most of the US then. When I went to college, there was a guy in my dorm who played soccer. Notwithstanding the fact that more girls spent the night in his room than in the rooms of the rest of us on the hall combined, several people said that he must be "gay" because he played soccer. Where I came from no one would have thought that a soccer player was "gay." But, among my college dorm mates in the 70s, who had not grown up around soccer, they thought it was a "gay Euro sport." I can only hope that 30 years from now cycling will be as mainstream in the US as soccer is today.|
|What about "pro" wrestling....||PEDDLEFOOT|
Jan 21, 2004 12:42 PM
|...where you have huge body builder types dressed in tight colorful spandex grabbing each other all over the place.These sweaty guys are all over each other and I really doubt anyone would scream at them on the street.|
|"pro" wrestling is definitely gay (nm)||-JC-|
Jan 22, 2004 10:27 AM
|Fat + tights is apparently manly nm||PdxMark|
Jan 21, 2004 1:37 PM
|If I have to get fat to be manly . . .||ms|
Jan 21, 2004 2:29 PM
|. . . well, I guess I just will have to be resigned to being girly or gay or whatever. Question: If I am girly what does that make my wife?
It's been a long day at work -- I think I better stop before I start something else. Oh, I wish it were warm enough so that I could commute -- even if I would have to pass the hangout of those fine young men that started this thread.
|That's why there is tandom I suppose...||6was9|
Jan 21, 2004 3:42 PM
|so you can ride it with your wife. As gooda proof as it gets but then I am a single though... Yer right, we better stop :-)|
|2003 was a scary year||bimini|
Jan 21, 2004 11:57 AM
|I guess about 8000 miles.
I witnessed a guy get his head ran over by the wheel of an empty trailer being pulled by a pick up truck at the end of a race. I hung over the top of the rider talking to him and waiting to do CPR if he stopped breathing until the parametics arrived (unless he quit breathing I knew not to touch him). He survived but suffered some permanent head injuries, his cycling days are over. Good thing he had a helmet on, it helped. The rider fell over on his bike just as the truck was getting close. The truck tried and did avoid him but the trailer was wider than the truck. Hard to say it was the drivers fault. Just a very unfortunate sequence of events by all involved.
Got hit by one SUV when it turned in front of me. Was able to get partially turned so I was't going straight on into the side. Only got a scratched knee and a bent rim. I don't think it was intentional.
Threw 2 tissy tantrums in the middle of the road with two different drivers. One SUV forced me up on the curve by pulling to the side of the road just in front of me, the other missed me by a quarter inch with the trailer he was pulling. Refused to give me even an inch of ground even though there was no oncoming traffic. I chased him down to the next light stuck my head through the drivers side window and told him exactly what I thought of him. he got out of the truck and we threatened to hit me, I showed him my chin and called him a few names. He endedup getting back in the truck, so I spit on his windshield as he was leaving (I have to quit doing this, I may find the guy with the 45 under the seat or the guy who can and is willing to woop my @ss)
Had several other cars, trucks and SUVs get close but thats just riding on the roads. Several folks yelled at me to get off the road or on the sidewalk, but they did not threaten me.
Cracked a rib this spring by taking a sandy corner too fast. Cracked a different rib this fall by hitting a curb at full speed and doing a superman over the bars. (yeah self inflict but adds to the scary factor)
Almost saw a teenager do a head on with oncoming traffic at 55MPH when he passed me when it was not clear. (The oncoming car ended up completely on the shoulder but recovered) The two cars misses by what seemed like less than an inch.
I do a mix of rural and college town riding. In and around Iowa City. Not redneck country but we have our share of idiots.
Jan 21, 2004 1:28 PM
|The guy being run over is haunting. I have a special anger reserved for motorists who refuse to cross the line to pass me safely when there is straight open road ahead. I've been working on my anger management though.|
|re: Poll: In 2003 how many bad encounters have you had?||Asiago|
Jan 21, 2004 12:15 PM
2. Year-Round (outdoor March-December)
3. None, Zero
4. Stoughton (Madison), WI
|Encounters run neutral to positive.||PseuZQ|
Jan 21, 2004 12:30 PM
2) All year
4) San Francisco Bay Area
3) Four minor incidents: Attempted loogie (like I'm not already covered in my own snot at some point during a ride); empty coke can tossed at me and missed; a "chicken" swerve by some kids in an econobox; being buzzed and honked at by some f*cktards with Ohio plates as I was cycling Hwy. 1 in Marin.(hellllooo? You're in *my* house, now...)
These are far far outweighed by all the positive things I've encountered while riding, which are too numerous to count: Motorists giving a thumbs up as I'm climbing, whoops and hollers as I'm bombing down a descent, gravel/construction trucks giving me a whole lane, little kids waving to me and asking (at the top of Mt. Diablo), "You rided all the way up here!?", some guy in a car kissing me during Halloween Critical Mass, old people waving to me from their yards, having the residents of Woodside (who supposedly hate cyclists) exchange a pleasant "good morning," peds saying "Why thank you!" when I yield the right of way during a commute... the list goes on.
|re: Poll: In 2003 how many bad encounters have you had?||rdbike|
Jan 21, 2004 12:42 PM
|I ride year round, miles in the thousands. I had three things happen: 1. I was interested to see that someone else had a car ride along side of them and blow an airhorn in their ear..I had the same thing this summer. 2. a car passed so close that the door handle my left knee. 3. layed down with our group when the lead guy stood up with a head wind. honorable mention..almost sprayed by a skunk (tiny bit on spokes) on our tue. night summer ride on the Natchez Trace Parkway.|
|4k, year-round, all minor, Denver suburb & mtns (nm)||JPRider|
Jan 21, 2004 12:59 PM
|re: Poll: In 2003 how many bad encounters have you had?||Tribike|
Jan 21, 2004 1:04 PM
|1. Maybe 2000 - Knee Surgery in July
2. Jan - Dec (ended more or less in June)
4. Texas - Austin area
|re: Poll: In 2003 how many bad encounters have you had?||CRM|
Jan 21, 2004 1:22 PM
|1. About 2500.
2. April - December.
3. Three minor incidents that I can remember: Sexuality questioned by a group of a teenagers on a street corner; a french fry box thrown out a car window; and a motorist who slowed down to calmly explain to me why I had no business riding on his road.
4. Suburban to rural south-central Pennsylvania.
|re: Poll: In 2003 how many bad encounters have you had?||seyboro|
Jan 21, 2004 3:38 PM
2. all year (well, almost; 4 weeks off with a broken collarbone)
3. the occasional dog, nothing intentional from drivers
4. eastern NC - THE place to ride
|re: Poll: In 2003 how many bad encounters have you had?||S-U-B|
Jan 21, 2004 5:39 PM
|1. about 3000-4000 missed alot due to injury
2. season began january, ended in may, began again in october.
3. Multiple encounters, 1 hit and run. Will be scheduling Surgery tomorrow to repair cartlidge damage to elbow, luckily it has not kept me from riding.
4. I live in California, rural area in the foothills. I pitty the next fool that dare make the mistake of pissing me off and then letting me catch up to them. Almost beat down one redneck that made that mistake. Damn redneck swerved to hit a friend and I and missed by maybe 6 inches. He made the mistake of stopping at a store in the next town which I gladly waited outside for him. I said "did you not see us back there?" nicely and his response was "yes, that is the only reason your still alive" meaning that I was only alive because he chose to let me live. I tore into him verbally with other patrons watching and laughing at him. He did not want any part of me unless he had 5 tons of metal between us. lucky for him he got back in his truck and drove away. Some of you may not agree with this but I have had enough and I'm not a violent person at all.
|In LA, its not a good idea!||Marcus75|
Jan 22, 2004 11:56 AM
|Most drivers are curtious to bickers here even though it is not a bike friendly city. I refrain from trying to confront a mortorist like that. Its just too dangerous with all the wackos, gangbangers and etc in LA.|
|re: Poll: In 2003 how many bad encounters have you had?||JS Haiku Shop|
Jan 22, 2004 6:15 AM
|1 how many miles? about 8,000
2 january to september (october 1 burnout)
4 memphis, suburbs, mostly rural roads
i'm with PseuZQ: the positives outweigh the idiotic and infrequent proof of testosterone poisioning and absent-mindedness or apathy. but, i address the negatives whenever possible. respect is, unfortunately, often earned.
STRANGELY, and yet not surprisingly, most of my bad encounters in 2003 were with other "cyclists".
|If you didn't offend so many||SpecialTater|
Jan 22, 2004 8:22 AM
|with your bad taste in music, facial hair and beer, we would stop throwing things at you.|
|surprising how cheap beer offends the wash-ed masses||JS Haiku Shop|
Jan 22, 2004 10:48 AM
|but seriously, folks...
i've never had as many problems on any organzied rides as on the ms150. every year. day 1, start at the front, and no problems (mostly). day 2, however, people get up at the crack of dawn and start riding before the SAGs are open. they are the same ones you pickup an hour into the "scheduled ride", as they noodle along at 12 mph weaving across the lane and blowing through 4-way stop intersections.
that was a nice 22 mph time trial on day 2 last year, though. i had two very nice days on that ride. such a well-supported, routed, and attended event! if only the "squirrels" would stay in their trees.
|re: Poll: In 2003 how many bad encounters have you had?||mickey-mac|
Jan 22, 2004 6:33 AM
4. Los Angeles: everything from urban hell to pristine and isolated mountain roads. Despite all the traffic, LA drivers are surprisingly tolerant of cyclists. However, I grew up about 40 miles south of here in Orange County and am still amazed at how different things are there. When I lived in OC, I regularly was cussed at and occasionally had stuff thrown at me. Although I rarely ride in OC any more, I rode to my parents house two days after Christmas. At a red light in Anaheim, two teenagers in a truck sat at the intersection and smiled and waved at me. As soon as the light turned green, they yelled "F@GGOT!" and sped off. Ballsy move.