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Roller freaks. A question.(14 posts)

Roller freaks. A question.eyebob
Jan 21, 2004 8:19 AM
Okay, 2 weeks ago on this very Board, your hero (me), was the loan quasi-dissenting voice regarding the regular use of rollers for off-season training. Since then, I've switched to using them exclusively (vs. a stationary trainer) just to see if I was missing anything. I'll report back on that later, but in the mean time, I've notice that I get crotch numbness when I roller for more than 20 min. I never, repeat NEVER get this on road rides, (I've long since solved that problem by adjusting my fit, saddle, etc.) and no, I have not adjusted my bike fit.

Is it generally more common with roller riding (vs. road)?

Thoughts?

BT
Stand up. Every 10 minutes or so...Spunout
Jan 21, 2004 8:26 AM
put it on the big ring and the 11 cog and stand up so that you can get some circulation. Because there is not air movement, things get hot. Pedal a bit slow if you must, but keep everything going.

You don't realize how much you move on the saddle in riding compared to rollers! Even compared to a stationary trainer, rollers are tougher.
20 minutes seems fast, but otherwise normalScot_Gore
Jan 21, 2004 9:17 AM
When you ride the road you pedal, coast, stop, corner and other kinds of motion. All the variety doesn't isolate any particular tissue for too long.

Rollers are the same motion and only the same motion over and over with not even the possibility of much variety being introduced with out the risk of finding the edge and slipping off. I've experienced some numbness at the beginning of each roller season. I've noticed that as I get more and more comfortable with the idea that a face plant is not imminent (which I seem to have to re-learn every year), I can go longer and longer without any negative side effects.

Scot
re: Roller freaks. A question.JPRider
Jan 21, 2004 9:28 AM
I agree with what Scot_Gore said. You move around a lot when riding on the road, but let's face it, with rollers there's not too much going on.

So at the risk of sounding foolish, check and see if your floor is even a couple of degrees slanted forward. I know when I'm on my trainer and I don't put a book (or not a big enough one) under my front wheel, I get a lot more pressure on the undercarriage than I do if it's level.

Other than that just stand up a bunch, even try hanging in the drops for a while. I try not to stay in the same position for more than 10 minutes, and I'm comfortable on my rollers for up to 90 minutes thus far.
Scott and JP make good pointsandy02
Jan 21, 2004 11:01 AM
I was getting numbness in my hand even changing hand positions every 2-3 min a month ago. What I found was that the floor was had a negative slope putting more pressureon my hands.

Any indoor training be it rollars, trainer, even treadmill (running usually) can cause problems to to the lack of changing condition. I recall reading in runners world a guy breaking his hip (stress fracture) training for a race on a treadmill all year. therefore change position often stand up slide forward in the saddle anything to move around.

Don't forget to learn a few rollar games!
re: Roller freaks. A question.Softrider
Jan 21, 2004 11:09 AM
Try adding a break every 15 or 20 minutes. I do sets of situps or pushups during the break. Breaks are usually only 2 or 3 minutes.

I can definately get more total time in this way. I will ride only 45 to 60 minutes without a break. Taking a break occasionally, I can comfortably get in 90 to 120 minutes, and accomplish other workouts in the process.

Adding another exercise in will also help to break up the boredom of cycling inside.
Ditto on Softrider's plan: take break; roll around on floor.Dale Brigham
Jan 21, 2004 1:04 PM
This has been the saving grace of my rather pathetic indoor training plan this winter. Instead of going freaking nuts due to the frozen-clock boredom of endless pedaling, I get off the rollers every 10 minutes or so (say, during commercial break time on the TV), and roll around on the carpet.

I have found that a set each of crunches, pushups, and back extensions (24 to 40 reps per set) renews my desire to get back on the rollers for another 10 minutes or so. And, if I time it right, after the calisthenics, I'm back in position on the bike right after the ad break to watch Paris and Nicole cavort amongst the Razorbacks.

Dale

BTW, it's my hands that tend to go numb. Go figure.
re: handscyclopathic
Jan 22, 2004 7:05 AM
try to switch them around like tops/hoods/drops/left hand/right hand. The friend of mine rides rollers w/o hands (no I am not that good :-(
Dammit, Jim -- I'm a cyclist, not an acrobat!Dale Brigham
Jan 22, 2004 7:40 AM
Cyclo:

I appreciate your good advice on changing hand positions. I already do all that, and still get a bit numby after 20 minutes or so on the rollers. It's not a big deal; it just makes me more grateful for the calisthenic breaks.

As for no-hands roller riding, I doubt I'll ever go there (see above "Bones" parody quote).

Dale
Yeah, what they said. Plus, in addition todjg
Jan 21, 2004 11:19 AM
the fact that you are maintaining what is probably a much more fixed saddle position, with a very steady pedaling stroke, you are also maintaining the same global position--all your weight is going all the same way all the time (with whatever is on the saddle bearing right down on the saddle).

Being conscious about occasional shifts in position--even slight--can really help. Sometimes just shifting to (or from) the drops for a minute will do this for you. Getting off the saddle for a couple of seconds every once in a while is also a big help. This is a very common roller issue that, for most of us, is very easily dealt with.
I added a resistance unit to mine.firstrax
Jan 21, 2004 11:41 AM
Added pedal resitance takes some of the weight of the saddle.
I added a resistance unit to mine.owmynads
Jan 21, 2004 2:59 PM
Ditto the resistance unit. I bought my Minoura rollers on eBay, and they're great, compared to my trainer. I won't even use the trainers anymore. I get numb hands, too. I think it comes, as many have said here, from the same sustained position for so long. I even thought I was getting tendonitis in my left elbow last week. I am now conscious of this, and have been changing hand positions. I move all over the bars. I also have aero bars that are daring me to make the move.

This is my first season with the rollers, but I'm learning that if I stop every 15 minutes, I can change positions, give my hands and elbows a break, and get WATER! I can now get 90 minutes in each day with no problems at a nice, even pace. I'm keeping the cadence low in the "foundation" phase (60-80 rpm). I was going faster in November, and then tapered off.

I've found that the resistance actually makes it easier to use the rollers. When I put the resistance unit on the "L" slot, it felt like my tires were slipping on the rollers. On "1" it seems like there's just enough resistance to mimic the road. I'm going to slowly build resistance over the next 6 weeks. Only 6 weeks to March peeps!

-owmynads
I added a resistance unit to mine.Sintesi
Jan 21, 2004 5:52 PM
This where numbness comes from. On the road, not only to you get out of the saddle more, vary your position, etc... There is usually much resistance to your stroke. Pushing down on the pedals lifts your crotch enough to relieve the pressure. The rollers don't have this.

There are only two solutions really. One, add resistance. Two, get out of the saddle periodically and pedal standing for about 2-3 minutes.

I use option 2 and it has become much easier with practice. Not a big deal really.
Another question.eyebob
Jan 22, 2004 9:50 AM
I've also found that I ride the rollers in a MUCH lower gear than what I'd ride on the road or on my trainer. I mean, I am in my little ring up front all the time. Is it a product of rollers in general, or that I have the smaller diam. Kreitler rollers that make it a little tougher. Or is it (gulp) that I'm a weenie.

BT