|Yoga and Pilates||PaulCL|
Jan 21, 2004 6:46 AM
|Through a services 'barter' agreement, my wife was able to arrange a private Yoga/Pilates lesson for the both of us. On Saturday, we spent 2 hours doing Y/P with a very cute 23 year old intructor. She and my wife have agreed to exchange services enough for a monthly lesson.
My impression is that it was a 2 hour long stretching and situp routine glorified with deep breathing. Am I wrong?? My wife is thrilled that we could do something 'athletic' together. She wants to do Y/P together a couple times per week plus a lesson at least monthly. I have no problem doing the program except for the time it may take from my cycling. To keep marital harmony, I'll have to do it for a while. When it invades my ride time - I'm done.
My question to anyone who's done a lot of Y/P: Beyond stretching well, what benefits will I get beyond my normal weight room routine which includes 10 minutes stretching before and after, 3 sets of crunches, 3 sets of back extensions??? Just curious. Of course I do a lot of other exercises in the weight room too. I just don't know if I will have the time to lift, ride, Y/P and the normal requirements of life.
P.S. The instructor was a cutie. 23 year old dancer. Skin tight clothes, low cut top. Long and lithe. Full view. And that "Frog" position...ohmygawd!! That alone my keep me coming back. SCHWING!!! ....now Paul remember....wear baggy shorts not lycra tights...think baggy shorts.....
|pictures for Podium Friday?||kenyee|
Jan 21, 2004 6:56 AM
|We'll be waiting.... :-)|
|pictures for Podium Friday?||PaulCL|
Jan 21, 2004 7:44 AM
|Oooh that wouldn't go over well with the wife! I really pushed it when I suggested a threesie...photoes would put my wife over the edge. How about a really detailed description instead?|
|pictures for Podium Friday?||african|
Jan 21, 2004 8:53 AM
|I have the pictures ready for Friday. What I need is that girls number and if she is willing to move to Florida?|
|tell the wife you're just helping advertise the friend's yoga||kenyee|
Jan 21, 2004 2:27 PM
|enjoy the scenery!||dzrider|
Jan 21, 2004 7:02 AM
|I'm not one to minimize this stuff as when I have done it I've gained flexibility and core strength well beyond what I get doing my abs at the start and end of a weight workout. The question is time and what I think of as fun per hour. I'd much rather ride or run or lift weights and what with work and family I don't get to give those activities as much time as I'd like. I need more time not new games.|
|Yoga is good, esp in winter||Fez|
Jan 21, 2004 7:16 AM
|I recommend it highly. Helps with overall flexibility and balance.
Obviously, you can stretch specific cycling muscles better at home after a ride, but yoga gives your body the "total" experience.
I found it hard to schedule yoga in the summer, since I could only do it on days I didn't ride.
As you get more advanced, the instructor will have you hold the poses longer, and trying to do extended poses after a 2 hour ride gets very tiring.
|re: Yoga and Pilates||j-son|
Jan 21, 2004 7:24 AM
|My wife is into yoga, but not so much Pilates. I try to practice with her once or twice a week. Other than the esthetic benefits (which you've obviously already discovered), I've noticed a few other subtle benefits. I've had problems with a tight lower back for a few years (job related I think) and Yoga seems to be loosening things up. I also think it's very relaxing, I usually feel like a nap after a session. My sessions are generally about 30 minutes, and never longer than 45. Two hours seems like overkill.
As I said, my wife is into it and she's become quite flexible. Definite benefits there!
|Yoga and Pilates are very similar. Are you using equipment?||No_sprint|
Jan 21, 2004 7:42 AM
|however, if you get into it, you find they're basically polar opposite. The neutral spine position of Pilates is entirley different than yoga.
If you're only doing mat work in Pilates, and you're a cyclist and in good shape, you're going to be limited.
Does your Pilates person have a Cadillac and a reformer, spine corrector, etc?
Please tell me you're not doing some kind of mixed Pilates/Yoga class, if so and she doesn't have equipment, you've found the wrong person, guaranteed.
see www.stottpilates.com for the real Pilates people.
|Yoga and Pilates are very similar. Are you using equipment?||PaulCL|
Jan 21, 2004 8:11 AM
|This session was for rookies. She was giving us a taste of whats' to come. I'm sure that she has equipment to bring out. Thanks.|
Jan 21, 2004 8:24 AM
|The Cadillac is not movable. The reformer I suppose can be considered movable, but we don't move ours. Check out that website.|
|you horn dog you....||ColnagoFE|
Jan 21, 2004 7:43 AM
|Can't comment on Yoga because I've never taken it, but Pilates is bound to be a good move for overall stregth and flexibility. Sure they have more hype than they can deliver, but it is a great workout. The great thing other than the flexibility increases is the focus on whole body work concentrating on the core of the body rather than individual pieces workout of typical weightlifters. If you can do it I'd stick with it. Should help with refining your position on the bike due to increased flexibility and less soreness in back due to stronger core. Cycling is great, but unless you are a pro why not think of the bigger picture? Try some new stuff. You never know. Might get some great results.|
|you horn dog you....OK, I'm guilty||PaulCL|
Jan 21, 2004 8:16 AM
|But its' tough not to be a horn dog when some hot young thing is doing her best contortionist moves right in front of you while wearing skintight clothing.
I'm going to keep with it. Change is good. I'll back off when the weather turns in a month or two.
|'she and my wife exchange services...' well, well, well.||Spunout|
Jan 21, 2004 8:06 AM
|You have got it made! Who said bartering never worked.|
|'she and my wife exchange services...' well, well, well.||PaulCL|
Jan 21, 2004 8:25 AM
|Actually its' a good deal. My wife is an MD who does a lot of acupuncture work. In fact, its' most of her practice these days. The instructor (AKA "young hottie" "lithe dancer") really wants regular acupuncture treatments. The instructor also teaches Y/P through my wife's medical center so they are friends also. What do I get from the deal??? Let's see: a happy wife, a husband and wife activity together, a workout, strength building and and hour+ every month with a scantily clad "young hottie".
Is my age showing?? Am I turning into a dirty old man?? Isn't 41 too young to be a dirty old man?? The funny part is that on the drive home, my wife and I were talking about the incredible stretching the instructor does and how lucky her boyfriend is.....
|Your wife doesn't read the board, right?||Fez|
Jan 21, 2004 9:47 AM
|She might end the barter system with this cute instructor.
Or she could just transfer you the yoga class with the male instructor with the hairy back.
|Gawd, I hope not||PaulCL|
Jan 21, 2004 10:53 AM
|Actually, she would find all of this quite amusing. She commented on the same things about the instructor as I did. Ok, maybe I felt it a little bit more viscerally, but we noticed the same things. I think my wife would be bothered most about my comment re: Pilates/Yoga being a glorified breathing and stretching class. I think she would think that I am belittling 1000's of years worth of Chinese study or something......|
|"glorified with deep breathing"||giro_man|
Jan 21, 2004 8:20 AM
|Approach it with an open mind. Maybe, the deep breathing exercises can be applied to cycling. Some athletes e.g. runners benefit from this type of exercise.|
|I'm so narrow minded||litespeedchick|
Jan 21, 2004 9:50 AM
|I just can't beleive yoga or Pilates is worth the time it takes. I have had a total of one Pilates class...I should have done 5 minutes of ab work and taken a 55 minute nap.
One of my friends who used to have the best body in town (per my husband) stopped lifting to do Pilates and has now put on some weight and lost definition. (sorry J., you're still in the the 99th percentile).
But I'm not posting to bash Pilates. I just wanted to give Paul a little tip:
The first time you tell your wife how cute the instructor is, she will agree w/ you. The next time you mention it (threesie) she may find it amusing and flirtatious. Depending on how sure she is of her own looks, you may get three or four more free comments. However, at some point, you are going to get slapped on the back of the head. Just thought you'd like to know.
|Thanks for the input||PaulCL|
Jan 21, 2004 10:49 AM
|After 15 years of marriage, I think I have a good sense on when to shut up. Hence, my need to vent and gloat on this board. I won't make any other comments to my wife other than on subjects of fact: like the girls clothes, a particular pose, her ability to stretch, how nice she is, how much I'm getting out of the class (true or not)etc... I wanted to nap after the class too. As my original post implied - the session seemed to be a glorified breathing, stretching and ab work session with a popular name.
I've got enough bruises on the back of my head to know when is when. Thanks. Paul
|Dear Penthouse forum (NT)||beattle2|
Jan 21, 2004 10:49 AM
|re: Yoga and Pilates||one_speed|
Jan 21, 2004 10:54 AM
|i've done both and each has their own qualities. i find yoga to be more relaxing, though there are more agressive versions that will push you a bit harder. i like the way it pushes you to stretch and focus.
as for pilates, it can be pretty tough and will help with core strength. i only took it a couple times, but have friends who take it frequently. if you instructor is good and innovative, you can do a lot without much equipment. as i understand it, once you get to using the exercise balls, both small and large, (small is tougher i guess) the levels become more advanced and difficult. this is one form of exercise that can seem quite easy if your form isn't correct. it's very important to learn to "imprint." also, you need an instructor that is into it and really knows what's going on. it's a fairly new discipline that is still being developed.
whatever you do, enjoy. neither will hurt you in any way. just remember to look at your wife once in a whle during class...
Jan 21, 2004 10:57 AM
|Yoga and Pilates are just brand names for stretches and exercises. There is nothing new or magical about them. I'm a chiropractor, I have a large rehab facility, and a gym.
Yoga brings me lots of patients. I think some of the yoga stretches are more about tradition than actually being good for the body. Some of the awkward positions they put themselves in, puts them into my office. I treat a lot of yoga instructors.
Pilates has some good exercises for core strength. I don't think it takes as long as they spend to get the benefits, but it is helpful. My patients tend to moan when I show them basic back and ab (core) exercises. Ohers go on about the core (ab and back) strength they've developed in pilates. I think the difference is the cute, little, 23 year old instructor.
Jan 21, 2004 11:12 AM
|My husband is a chiropractor. I asked him the other day why I see so many girls in the gym doing a particular excercise. He says it's 'cause they want lumbar disc problems. ;-)|
|what was the exercise in question? (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Jan 22, 2004 9:44 AM
|exercise in question||litespeedchick|
Jan 22, 2004 1:24 PM
|The thing where you rest your pelvis on a support, hook your ankles under another, and then, facing the floor, lower your upper body and raise back to parallel. (sorry, I don't know what you call it) It's apparently a low back excercise.|
|exercise in question||bsdc|
Jan 22, 2004 3:08 PM
|It's call a 45 degree back extension. Your lower lumbar discs are experiencing the enormous forces that can be applied when using a lever and fulcrum.
I recommend doing almost all low back and ab stretches and exercises lying down so that there is little compression on the discs.
|My novice understanding about the two||treebound|
Jan 21, 2004 11:44 AM
|From what I've read and listened to on this and many other sites, several books I've browsed through, various magazines, several people I've spoken with in person, and so forth, without having actually done any of it myself yet is this:
Yoga is based on a spirituality concept, possibly religious or not depending on your frame of mind and intents, and the physical aspects are designed to allow you to focus and relax away from the outside concerns of life and focus and strengthen internally. The physiological exercise expansion of Yoga is partially a broadening of the physiological aspects and a diminishing of the sprituality of Yoga. Look at how many books and CD's and videos and instructors start off with a lecture or dialog minimizing the spiritual aspects in order to not scare off newcomers.
Pilates is physiological in nature with a focus on strengthing the body and extending the body's ranges of motion, and in doing so it also is designed to lead to relaxation and meditation and destressing from the outside world and issues of the day.
Yoga starts from a meditative spiritual base, Pilates starts with a destressing meditative physiological base. Both can lead to extended range of body motion and greater strength and better rest and recovery. Both can also lead to injury if done too aggressively, as can any exercise. And both can leave a person totally physically spent when done at more advanced levels.
This is my understanding of them at this point in time, and is subject to change as I learn more. And sometimes I type too much.
One last point though: if you focus on the instructor you'll never get the point of being there.
|Don't know much about Yoga but do know a little about||bimini|
Jan 21, 2004 11:01 AM
|Staying married (a lot of times I wish I knew more)
Do the Yoga with your wife. Do it with an open mind and positive attitude (she will know if your dragging your feet). Your wife asked you to do it. It's something the two of you can do together and when you want to go on that all day cycling event this spring without her, she is more likely to be agreeable.
Don't quit the Yoga first, it may be a passing thing, like the exercise bike or stair climber sitting unused in the corner. You might be able to get excused from some of the sessions if you have something now and then you want to do, just don't quit it completely until she does.
A lot of the conflict I have with my wife over cycling is that it is something we cannot do together. Yeah we bike together sometimes but she knows I'm in super mossey gear and I would be happier out chasing cars by myself. Finding something like the Yoga won't take a lot of time and is time you can spend together, work at on a equal basis, and should be good for the two of you. It may also end (or at least dampen) the old argument about all you ever do is ride that stupid bike, it's only about you, never about us. (opps, we were talking about you weren't we)
Also, don't get caught drooling over the instructor.
PS: I work with a couple of people who are very fit and swear by yoga as a way of maintaining physical and mental ballance. I have also heard that the focus on how to breath can help in endurance sports.
|re: Yoga and Pilates||snapdragen|
Jan 21, 2004 6:54 PM
|I've been doing Pilates for a number of years now. I started before it became "trendy". Prior to that I did weight training. I'm much happier with my appearance now, I'm still strong, but don't have that bulky look. (I know, women aren't supposed to get bulky - yeah right, tell that to the chunks at my gym) It's a whole lot more than sit ups and deep breathing, in fact if you feel like all you are doing is crunches, you're doing it wrong. It's not for everyone - just like yoga (which bores me to tears).
Unfortunatly, it's become popular, and just about anyone can call themselves a Pilates teacher. I wouldn't work with a teacher unless I knew they had the proper training/certification, and belonged to the guild.