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traffic fatality riding solo vs. fatality riding in a group(8 posts)

traffic fatality riding solo vs. fatality riding in a groupsinfonian
Jan 18, 2004 2:16 AM
Someone posted a sad message a few days ago about a cyclist that was killed after being hit by a car. I'm sure all of us who ride have thought about this occurring to us and the devastating impact on our families. The deaths I've been personally aware of have occurred when the cyclist was alone or with one other person.

Curiously, I'm not aware of a cyclist being hit on public roads while riding in a group. Do you think there's more protection against being struck by a vehicle if you're riding in a pack as opposed to riding alone? Just wondering. Your thoughts?
re: traffic fatality riding solo vs. fatality riding in a groupbsdc
Jan 18, 2004 5:03 AM
I recall a post a few months ago about a group of cyclists being hit in the Houston area. I believe two died.

I think it would be hard to argue that riding alone would be safer. I know I feel a lot safer in large orginized rides where cyclists are strung out for miles. Once the car passes a few cyclists, they know they are out there and are specifically looking for cyclists.
St. Petersburg, Florida group mowed down last yearAsphalt Addict
Jan 18, 2004 7:02 AM
There was a post by... African... last year that described in detail the carnage caused by a senior citizen plowing into a group of about twenty riders. I personally feel that riding alone provides out of control drivers with a smaller target.
VisibilityBigFatSal
Jan 18, 2004 9:34 AM
As a cyclist and a driver, it seems to me that a pack of riders is much more visible and attention-grabbing to complacent, day-dreaming or cell phone-engaged drivers than 1 lone rider.... I've often noticed this while driving. It seems the sheer size of the pack versus the size of a single rider makes a huge difference.

As a rider, I get more of a sense of safety when riding with others versus riding alone. I feel more visible and also feel that if an accident did occur that it would certainly be more advantageous to have other riders with me, simply because they know me. If I were to be run down by a car while riding alone, to identify me (if I were unconscious), they'd have to look thru my under-saddle bag, or inside my helmet to find my name and any emergency contact info.... These feelings aren't based on any scientific data or statistics, just personal feelings and observations from my perspective as a rider and as a driver... I've read numerous posts on this board of groups being run down by cars as well as lone riders being run down.
Assault.Spoke Wrench
Jan 18, 2004 10:50 AM
Personally, I don't think that a very high percentage of these incidents are accidents. I think most would more accurately be called assault. If you are in a bigger bunch of riders the kind of drivers who pass you too closely are less likely to do so because they are bsically cowards.

I also don't advocate wearing day glo colors or using multiple winky-blinky lights because I think that marks you as a cyclist who is easily intimidated. I think that actually encourages aggressive behavior toward you.
boo-hoo.RemmingtonShowdown
Jan 18, 2004 11:58 AM
Any road rider who chooses to ride in a crowded street must be aware of the inherrant risks. And while no cyclist should ever be struck by a motorist, most of us who ride in the street enjoy the aggressive nature of weaving through traffic-often with little regard for the 2 ton masses whiszing arround us. Too many street riders are of the "I'm on a bike, I have the ultimate right of way" attitude. And while that is true, we must keep in mind that when push comes to shove, we lose. Have respect for the nature of our streets and that will lead to an understanding of how to behave on them.
Assault? more likely ignorancecyclopathic
Jan 18, 2004 12:52 PM
though I've been ran out of road on occasions, yelled and thrown bottles at, have to disagree accident is seldom result of "hatred" and "rage". Many of drivers are not aware of cyclists, don't know how to react to one and/or too buzy watching TV, talking on cellphone or playing with radio. Besides, very few of them are willing to go to prison.

Sometimes jerseys we use are hard to see driving 60mph on windy country roads. Using bright yellow reduces driver's reaction time, and reflective gear/blinky is a must at dusk as most accidents happen btw 8 and 10pm.
Assault.Woof the dog
Jan 19, 2004 4:14 PM
you? wow, I can't believe you said that. Anybody, but you!

this is f'ed up!

woof.