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C.A.T. Claws and Ax questions...(7 posts)

C.A.T. Claws and Ax questions...Akirasho
Jan 11, 2004 11:25 AM
... ok, I know that with many of you, the first thing that popped into your minds with the mention of C.A.T. and Ax was expensive... so let's put that aside from the getgo...

Looking for a bit of feedback on the "performance" of these two products.

While a bit of gram counting ain't bad, my goal is to build up a relatively unique frame and these two items appeared on my radar screen... weight savings being of secondary concern.

Does anyone have any first or second hand experience with either product?

Do the CAT claws compare favorably with contemporary dual pivots such as Shimano Ultegra/DA? Do they modulate well? Any issues (either the brakes themselves or customer service)? Any super deals?

Is the Ax saddle (looking specifically at the Apollo) relatively durable? Any problems with finish, rails (noticed special instructions at website)? Any issues (either the saddle itself or customer service)? Fore/Aft adjustability? Any super deals?

Thanks and...

Be the bike.
I will refer you to the mecca of such questionsAllUpHill
Jan 11, 2004 2:05 PM
If you haven't already, visit the Road Bike forum here:

I am positive I have seen at least one thread in the past discussing people's experience with the C.A.T. claws. There probably has been a good AX lightness thread too. In any case, if you want to pose your question on their forum, I assure you there are at least 2 dozen Austrian, German, Dutch and Swiss weightweenies who are proud of their rig and eager to share their experience.

To answer the question many of you may be thinking, no, the users of a weightweenie forum aren't strictly obsessed with weight -- most of them actually care (to varying degrees) about practical things as well (safety, maintenance, functionality, but never cost!).
... that's all I needed... another forum to visit...Akirasho
Jan 11, 2004 4:05 PM
... just joined up...

I'm not into building the lightest (hell, the frame weighs 2.9 pounds already), but informed choices demand knowledge... and that site seems to have it's own special brand.

Thanks for the suggestions folks!

Be the weightweenie... er, bike.
Some answerspedalAZ
Jan 11, 2004 5:10 PM
AX Lightness saddles are very comfortable. I use the Endurance Comfortline MTB saddle on my road bike. It weighs 99 grams and has padding on the back half. Comfort is derived from both the shape and the flex. It used to be on my MTB, but I broke it in a crash, had it repaired by AX, but on receiving it back decided MTB was too hazardous for its value. I use an SLR on the MTB now (not as comfortable).

I looked at the CAT Claws for my road bike but was dissuaded by not only cost but reports of the setup being very challenging and the actual braking effectiveness not much different than DA.
re: C.A.T. Claws and Ax questions...ask Calfeedavet
Jan 11, 2004 2:10 PM
Calfee apparently is marketing some of the Ax Lightness products;
Jan 11, 2004 2:12 PM
.. you might want to ask your questions at the Calfee Fan Club forum, those guys are notorious weight weenies:
re: C.A.T. Clawsrussw19
Jan 11, 2004 8:10 PM
I had a pair for about 4 weeks. I sold them to a customer who came into the shop I work at. He just had to have them, and I wasn't sorry to see them go. They were nice and super light, but they just didn't stop that well.

Customer service is good... they are made by a guy who owns a bike shop. Just call the shop and ask for him... he's always there and answers questions. At least while I was considering a pair of these brakes last year.

The thing about them is that I didn't think they stopped very well. I know other people who do like them and say they are fine, but they weren't as good as my Campy Record calipers they were going to replace. I am also of the opinion that this is a silly place to save weight on a bike. Many people scoff at the idea of spending $200 on a titanium chain, but that's an even better idea than buying light brakes that don't work. At least a Ti chain delivers power to the drivetrain just like a steel chain. They are just ungodly expensive, but they work just as well, and they save weight. Now superlight brakes are another story. They are light, and they last, but they don't stop as well as brakes that weigh 100 grams more. It's not a good trade off if you want my opinion. If you aren't weight conscience, and want something different, get an old pair of Campy Deltas or a nice older set of Mavic SSC brakes. Even the Cane Creeks work better and are only slightly heavier.

Bottom line is that it's your money, but it's also your butt on the line when you need to stop. I would tell you to stay clear of these until they are a bit more refined.