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Jan 2, 2004 4:43 PM
on tips from Dave Hickey, I decided to sand the decals off my FSA Team Issue cranks, and while I posted pics in the belowmentioned link, I figured this one would get your attention...



Very clean and reminicent of the diminuitive decaling on the original FSA Team cranks... before everybody and his brother were making cookie cutter cranks!

Thanks again Dave.

Be the bike.
much better nude, IMO nmDougSloan
Jan 2, 2004 4:51 PM
"...I need a cigarette."RemmingtonShowdown
Jan 2, 2004 5:10 PM
Very elegant.

As with most "nudie pics," my mouth is begining to water.

I won't mention what happens when I imagine my new TCR naked...

...excuse me...
or you could just go this routeThe Human G-Nome
Jan 2, 2004 5:18 PM
... not bad but...Akirasho
Jan 2, 2004 5:57 PM
I already had the FSA on hand...

Those cranks resemble Supergo's Weyless (subtle differences) and I probably would have left Stella Azzurra's alone.

I wonder if there's a market out there for logoless mill products such as these... as long as they came from reputable builders...

Be the bike.
why did you do that?? (nm)Rich_Racer
Jan 2, 2004 6:24 PM
Anyone sand down their Record cranks yet? :) nmdivve
Jan 2, 2004 6:38 PM
Why stop there?Fez
Jan 2, 2004 6:41 PM

1) Excess frame decals along stays, seat tube, top tube, downtube.
2) Fork blades
3) Seatpost decals

Provided the carbon weave is visible and not painted over.
... this is why...Akirasho
Jan 2, 2004 7:54 PM

One of the reasons I liked this frame was it's lack of decals... IMO, painting carbon fiber is like painting titanium... there's generally an understated beauty in each material's "bare" form.

These days, logos are plasterd all over everything (brand recognition). My ZIPP cranks have a small and simple pressure lable applied to the bare carbon arms... which would probably be easy to remove... but because the ZIPPs are sooo distinctive, you'd not konphuze them with anything else!

As Dave Hickey pointed out in the original post, it took about 30-40 minutes per arm (could probably use another 10 per)... and only a few strips of varied grit sandpaper (along with rubbing compound) and water... I'd dread trying it on an entire CF frame!

Be the bike.
Nice frame.......but you call that "lack of decals"?Tower
Jan 2, 2004 10:14 PM
Looks like plenty of decals to me.......*shrug*
... how 'bout ''lack of gaudy decals''?Akirasho
Jan 2, 2004 10:48 PM
... compared to most major maker's frames in shops today... it's butt nekkid... and the decaling it does have... are sublte enuff (IMO) to assist in the overall aesthetics as opposed to overwhelm.

It wasn't too many years ago, that a headbadge and perhaps a name on a downtube was it (now, many makers and shops put their web addresses right on the frame)!

Be the bike.
I agree with you Akirasho...DERICK
Jan 3, 2004 6:41 AM
Clearcoated carbon fiber is so nice looking that painting it or applying large decals usualy takes away from it. Kind of like putting bumper stickers on a Ferrari. If I could have gotten my Giant with no Decals or just "Giant" on the down tube I would have.
... this is why...Gripfer
Jan 2, 2004 10:34 PM
Are you going to sand off some of the 17 Kuota logos on that frame?
... now how anal is this???Akirasho
Jan 3, 2004 11:07 AM
I decided to count the decals on the frame, fork, seatpost and collar...

Decals were defined as any word or logo which could be viewed as a standalone (not individual lettering and such).

Frame 12
Fork 3
Post 3
Collar 1

If I were to really get anal, I could argue that certain sets of decals on the frame were actually only one (top tube and seat tube)... but that would be silly... wouldn't it?

Be the bike.
Nude Weyless also.....Dave Hickey
Jan 2, 2004 7:09 PM
Akirasho dared each other............
Wow!the bull
Jan 2, 2004 7:50 PM
Those look really good like that!
I think I will get a set for one of my bikes!
Maybe I will even stick some Pinarello stickers on there! :)
I'll look for this ebay ad...Fez
Jan 3, 2004 10:29 AM

"Steel Colnago with Campy Record Carbon Crankset."

Should bring in a few more $$ than "Specialized Allez with Weyless crank."
These are my favoriteThe Human G-Nome
Jan 2, 2004 7:55 PM
They won't hit the market for another month, but these are my favorite. They mimick the current DA as the bearings are outside the bracket. A sweet setup and VERY stiff.
These are my favoritekomatiite
Jan 2, 2004 9:00 PM
what the heck are those? me like...
They're the new IRD Typhoons due out in February (nm)The Human G-Nome
Jan 2, 2004 9:48 PM
They're the new IRD Typhoons due out in February (nm)komatiite
Jan 2, 2004 10:01 PM
got anymore info on them? I cant find much of anything on the web about them. Any idea of what they are gonna go for when they do come out?
OK...I resisted saying this but.......northcoast
Jan 2, 2004 10:22 PM
You buy these "great" cranks made in Taiwan but you're too embarrassed to ride around with the brand name showing? You spend all afternoon sanding your crank arms to take off all traces of their origin. I just don't get it. Why not just buy something you are happy with from the start?

Heck why not buy a Supergo crank and sand the name off of it (you'd save $140). For that matter why not buy a whole Scattante/Weyless rig and sand all the logos off?

Also you're a little confused in mistaking Stella Azzurra cranks for rebranded FSA's. The reason they cost $200 more is because they are not the same. I met with one of the owners of SA this year at Interbike and we discussed the similarities and differences between the SA carbon crank and the FSA.

Hope you don't have a problem down the road with the cranks, because I'd say your warranty is blown.
OK...I resisted saying this but.......Gripfer
Jan 2, 2004 10:37 PM
I'm a lame computer user, but do you intend to sand off some or all of the many Kuota logos on that frame?
OK...I resisted saying this but.......Akirasho
Jan 2, 2004 10:50 PM
but do you intend to sand off some or all of the many Kuota logos on that frame?

... nope...

Be the bike.
... per the original post that started my project...Akirasho
Jan 2, 2004 10:48 PM
I placed this link in the original post above... so's to give a bit of reference...

Akirasho "What's the best way to repair clearcoat?" 1/2/04 4:26pm

Will probably do the same treatment to my Weyless... not because I'm ashamed of them... but because the decals are a bit garish for my tastes!

And as stated before, these cranks were already on hand.

I don't recall saying that Stella Azzurra were rebranded FSA... indeed, I've noticed subtle differences 'tween FSA and Weyless, though they appear to be the same in most photographs... but I'd still bet that they come from the same facility or facilities...

As for warranty... while not beyond the realm of possiblility... it'd be exceedingly rare... to which, I've rolled the dice and will take my chances... I even take those tags off my furniture and pillows!!!

Be the bike.
... per the original post that started my project...Gripfer
Jan 2, 2004 10:52 PM
OK, back to the original question. What can you use to repair/replace the clearcoat on carbon if there isn't enough to rub out?
... I'm no expert but...Akirasho
Jan 2, 2004 11:13 PM
... it reminds me of this project...

... done by the pros.

I was inspired by Dave Hickey's revalations that was indeed enough of a clearcoat (with the decals applied under the uppermost layer) above the carbon fiber to make this work. I'm guessing that the carbon fiber matrix is stable... but I'd be leary of wearing all the way down to said fibers... and would probably leave said to professionals (besides, as mentioned earlier... this took a bit of time... and water... relatively easy with small parts... but ungainly with a whole frame)... unless someone who's in to DIY or SOPWMTOS inspires me again.

Also, in the other original post (sorry, but I'm too tired to post the link again... it's at the top of this thread)... it was suggested that you could use an automotive laquer (also see Damon Rinard's link for more info on carbon fiber) to refinish a repair.

Be the bike.

Be the bike.
You should have gone with your first instinct....Dave Hickey
Jan 3, 2004 9:11 AM
Stop it with the elitist Eurotrash talk....

I hate to break it to you but you cannot buy ANY bike today that doesn't have something that's made in Asia. It might be bearings but something is made in Asia.

Not that I need to explain myself to you but my motive for sanding off the Weyless label is I like to personalize my bikes. I like the look of natural carbon fiber....
Agree with Dave, and also pretty much all carbon componentsFez
Jan 3, 2004 10:22 AM
have decals, like the inexpensive weyless, the pricier FSA, and the more expensive stella models.

I think the motivation for removing the decals is to draw less attention to the decal and let the beauty of the weave show. Not to pass an inexpensive thing off as something that cost more.
my two cents (in bumper sticker form)RemmingtonShowdown
Jan 3, 2004 11:06 AM
The fact of the matter is I believe that most cyclists purchase their equipment based on quality and preformance, not brand name. This being said, when someone shells out a hefty $250 or so for cranks they should be given the option of a decal-less product. The perversion of cycling by logo crazy companies (and aesthetically sour logos at that) makes the product look cheap and disposable.

I think an elegant subtle product will gain more from word of mouth and ooh's and ahh's than a gaudy decal.

not to mention it's a pain trying to customize you bike's look with someone elses personal taste on it.

let's not even get started on jerzeys...
Very well said...... nmDave Hickey
Jan 3, 2004 11:09 AM
I guess it's part of the chances you take...Akirasho
Jan 3, 2004 11:23 AM
... posting on a public forum... but I'll admit to a little surprise with some of the comments in these threads...

Part of the fault is mine... I've read other comments Dave Hickey has made with regards to Weyless cranks... and fundamentally agreed... their biggest downfall being their aesthetics... a personal opinion.

Likewise, earlier last year, I acquired a set of HED Alps wheelz... but the logos were too cheap for my tastes...

It wasn't as if I was ashamed of them... or tried to rebadge them as ZIPP or ADA... I simply did it for aesthetics... which, at least for me... is part of the allure of cycling (which is why I keep old issues of cycling mags and spend hours oggling at old skool gear). Personally, I don't have a problem with either end of the spectrum for each individual (super subdued or outright gaudfest)... there's room for all!

I think if you look at some of my bikes... you can see I'm a bit eclectic...

... or maybe just nutz!

... and while some of you might recognize the form of this motorcycle... it just goes to show the levels some folks are willing to go for that personal look (coworker's Yamaha... and no, he's not a Bengals fan).

Be the bike.
I guess you're right...Dave Hickey
Jan 3, 2004 4:54 PM
What really amazes me is we didn't post these picures to brag. It was more of a "how to" post. I've seen many post from people asking about removing logos. We decided to try it and the fashion police come out of the woodwork...

FYI, I have a Weyless carbon wrapped stem that's going under the sandpaper tonight:-)
Clear Coat Follow Up...Akirasho
Jan 4, 2004 3:06 PM
... went ahead and put on a few layers of clearcoat...

I don't think it's necessary to post pics, cuz the size constraint wouldn't show the fine details anyway. Agree that per your original post, it's not absolutely necessary, but it does give a somewhat higher sheen over that achieved with rubbing compound... bringing out a bit more of the pearlescent feature of clear over fiber.

Depending on how well the clearcoat settles (simply used a spray can) I might leave it... or hit it again with a bit of compound.

It would be possible to do an entire frame, but it would be labor and time intensive for good results. Also, for a frame, I'd probably use an airbrush or air gun.

Sidenote... most decaling won't stick to a gloss surface... so you'd have to rough up the area where it'd be applied... then seal with either a matte or gloss finish depending on your desired effect.

Now, I've got a bit of a buzzzz (house is sealed tight due to biblical rains).....

Be the bike.
re: WARNING NUDITY INSIDE...RemmingtonShowdown
Jan 3, 2004 11:27 AM
I am the new owner of an '03 TCR composite- and while I love the bike the awfull yellow and white decals really irk me. (not so much that I wouldn't buy the bike) I have experience working with composite materials and am considering removing the decals from my TCR. I am in the process of preparing some test materials. I have to say all this talk and braverey (thanks Dave and Akirasho) is really getting me geared up to try- If I do anything I'll post a website with pics and steps. Any additional thoughts would be appreciated though.