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Ragatz???(16 posts)

Dec 27, 2003 2:11 PM
... something "new" and "innovative" wrapped in the Italian flag, just another Taiwanese mill product wrapped in the Italian flag or just another Taiwanese mill product that is "new" and "innovative" wrapped in the Italian flag?

Not much to the website, but they took out a full page ad (basically the belowshown homepage) in the current issue (Jan 2004) of Cycle Sport magazine.

FWIW, I'm not trying to dis the company or the origins of the frame (after all, my Kuota was shipped directly from Italy... after they got it from Taiwan), merely seeking info and fueling speculation (pending a more indepth website).

Be the bike.
what about that saddle to bar drop???colker1
Dec 27, 2003 3:08 PM
weird. and those long chainstays don't spell racing too loud.
They might look long due to the lack of tires? nmdivve
Dec 27, 2003 3:57 PM
Naw...they just hid the valve stems behind the stays/fork nmseyboro
Dec 27, 2003 4:41 PM
There really <i>aren't</i> any tires on it, are there! nmBowWow
Dec 27, 2003 5:45 PM
..probably is why the chainstays look long..(nm)Dave_Stohler
Dec 27, 2003 7:37 PM
Nice stem....divve
Dec 27, 2003 3:53 PM
Yikes!!! Izzat, er, wazzat yours??? (nm)Akirasho
Dec 27, 2003 4:28 PM
Be the bike.
No, I like light but not crazy light :) nmdivve
Dec 27, 2003 5:34 PM
Somebody call the Seatpost Police!!!! (nm)Dave_Stohler
Dec 27, 2003 4:11 PM
re: Ragatz???dave_w
Dec 27, 2003 5:08 PM
True enough, I wonder more and more about the differences between a supergo frame and some of the high zoot stuff. Given the same materials, CF seatstays and fork, I still hope there is something in the way of quality control and finish work to be gained by spending the extra dinero.

ps Akirasho, have you ridden the Giant TCR CF frame? Thoughts?
... sorry, no experience with TCR frames at all.. (nm)Akirasho
Dec 28, 2003 10:46 AM
Be the bike.
What I know about Ragatzil sogno
Dec 27, 2003 10:42 PM
Ragatz is the house brand for the bicycle store Bicycle World in Santa Paula California. The store's owners are a pair of brothers named Jose and Tony Ragatz. Thus the name. Tony has told me that the Ragatz is made to their specifications in Northern Italy, by one of the many frame-makers in the area around Vicenza. I test-rode a Ragatz about a year or so ago. I did not weigh it, but it felt about 17 pounds fully equipped with Campy Record. It was quick-handling and extremely light on its feet. It was stiff in the bottom bracket, but the bicycle did not beat me up. It may have been a house-brand bike, but it was no wannabe. It felt like a thoroughbred.

What's more, Jose and Tony are two of the finest bike fitters around. Buying a bike from those guys is like buying a bespoke suit on Saville Row in London. Once you've chosen your frame and componentry, their mechanic partially builds the bicycle. Tony or Jose then spends a good hour fitting you with the proper stem, handlebars, saddle setback, etc. Then they send you out on an 19 mile ride up a country road. When you come back, you tell them your experiences and they refit the bike as necessary. The mechanic then checks the bicycle out one more time, and you're on your way.

In other words, a quality bike from a class outfit.
... will the full carbons be built in Italy too?Akirasho
Dec 28, 2003 9:37 AM
... it's not unheard of for house brands to come from other sources than the Pacific rim (don't the Cervelo P2K and P3 frames come from a US builder?) and I could still see an Italian company outsourcing a bit... but I wonder about carbon fiber... since it generally requires specialty equipment and facilities.

Do you know what their mode of distribution will be?

Just curious... I'm 'bout tapped on the bike front!

Be the bike.
... will the full carbons be built in Italy too?il sogno
Dec 28, 2003 6:21 PM
I can't tell you anything for sure, as the bike shop is a good 70 miles away from my home and I don't hang out there. But as far as I know, the all-carbon frame is indeed Italian. A girl at the edge of my cycling universe bought a carbon one a couple of months ago. I've seen her zooming along on her morning rides as I drive to work. I regularly run into her at a book store we both hang out at. She loves the thing. I've given it a close look-see. The workmanship on a C-40 is notably better, but it looks at least as well finished as a Trek or Giant.
"accept no compromises": ride without tires.colker1
Dec 28, 2003 5:53 PM
why on earth publish an ad of a bike with no tires? and that seatpost? someone forgot to push in to the frame.