|Eggbeaters vs. Speedplay Frogs?||hdnoise|
Dec 24, 2003 11:26 AM
|I am thinking about these two pedals w/ SIDI dominators to eliminate the duck walk bs. that comes with road cleats. Also, I see the EB road cleats have "walking platforms" but suspect these are so-so compared to mtb shoe walking. Pedaling "platform" feel is I assume equal. I know the float is very different. Any experience, tales of woe, etc. is appreciated. Thanks.|
|I have used both||spookyload|
Dec 24, 2003 11:48 AM
|The eggbeaters are good pedals for mountain biking because the shed dirt and mud. Not a factor in road biking. They have almost no float. The Speedplays would probaby be better for you on a roadbike as they do have lots of float built in. They never were very good at Mtn biking due to the lack of ability to shed mud. As for the shoe, make sure there is compatibility with both pedals you are looking at. The Speedplays are pretty picky with shoes. The shoes you mentioned are not very stiff in the sole which will be a downfall of the setup you are looking at. You will lose some advantage right there. The shimano carbon soled shoes on the other hand still have a very stiff sole and are mtn bike shoes to boot.|
|Frogs not a good MTB pedal?||SevenGuy|
Dec 24, 2003 12:38 PM
|My wife and I (and several of our team members) have ridden and raced Frogs for years in a host of conditions. I've never had a problem with them inlcuding the conditions in the attached photo. By keeping the elastomer under the cantilever clean and a dose of white lightening every now and then, they'll work consistently anywhere. We both use them on the road since we like a recessed cleat and it makes things simpler.|
|Nice pic there, SevenGuy||pedalAZ|
Dec 24, 2003 1:00 PM
|(from a Frog user)|
|Racing in northeast Florida...not good||spookyload|
Dec 24, 2003 8:05 PM
|The mud there is mixed with pieces of granite from the quaries. The consistency of the mud ends up being about like playdough. The only pedal really reliable was the egg beater. I have also had very bad luck with frogs in georgia races where the mud is actually red clay. Nothing touches the egg beaters in mud...period!!
As for his application on the road, they are probably the better choice. The extra float will help. Shoe compatiblity is the only problem I could think of to hamper the Frogs here.
|I had my share of trouble with them||ramboorider|
Dec 25, 2003 3:45 AM
|I rode frogs exclusively on my road bikes and lite-offroad bikes for years, but had a lot of trouble with them on mtb rides. I live in southeast Pennsylvania and also did a mtb tour with them in southwest Utah and had a world of trouble in wet conditions and even in the extrememly dry conditions in Utah (but the particular type of dirt there really mucked up everyone's pedals except those using ATAC / Eggbeater type pedals). Glad they work for you, but I've seen a lot of folks complain about Frogs for mountain biking.
Great for road / touring / commuting / etc.
|re: Eggbeaters vs. Speedplay Frogs?||MShaw|
Dec 24, 2003 1:03 PM
|What about some ATACs? Same basic theory as the Eggbeaters, but probably a bit less spendy.
I've ridden ATACs and Magnums (the version of Speedplay's mtn pedal before the Frog) and like them both. The float on the Speedplay is unlike anything else in the mtn pedal world. If you pedal heels in, you nay have to modify the Speedplays.
The thing I really liked about my Magnums is the lack of a spring holding your foot in. Once you twist far enough, you come out of the pedals.
Before you go this route: spending lots of money, I gotta ask how often you really get off the bike and walk around. Is it really that much of a hassle to get off and walk into the Starbucks and then back to the bike? More than that and you're probably better off bringing street shoes anyway.
That's my $.02,
|To float or not to float, that is the question||wooglin|
Dec 24, 2003 3:01 PM
|I use EBs with mtb shoes on the road in winter because socks don't fit in my roadie shoes. They work fine. Easy in, easy out, and I haven't clipped the ground yet. I've got no complaints whatsoever. So the real question is do you need the float that frogs provide.
Note 1--There is some float with EBs. 6 degrees I think
Note 2--Basic EBs are cheap, around $100.
|If you open up your options a bit...||SenorPedro|
Dec 24, 2003 3:26 PM
|Then there will be a lot more viable solutions. I ride eggs and SPD pedals exclusively. The eggs, while being an exceptional pedal for mountain biking, also provide a seemingly very nice platform for road biking.
They have a good amount of float, enough to allow my chicken knees to move around a good amount with no irritation to the joints. That said, if you are used to riding an SPD style pedal (small cleats) then you will like them just fine, they definitely feel different than a Look or Time setup.
Now as far as shoes, mountain bike shoes will be good, but a great deal of them do not allow a good walkability, i.e. not grinding the cleats on the ground with each step.
My solution, because I do a good amount of riding in traffic and stop frequently at coffee shops whatever, is a "touring" style shoe. I have the Lake CX125 which is a stiff nylon-sole road shoe with some conveniently placed lugs on the bottom that allow walking and no cleat grinding. These provide the stiffness of a road shoe with the versatility of others.
|re: Eggbeaters vs. Speedplay Frogs?||triton|
Dec 25, 2003 10:00 AM
|I owned the original Frogs made out of San Diego (where I lived at the time) over 9 years ago. I still have them and use them on occasion. Bought the new Frogs and used for about one year. They were OK but I would come out of my pedals on big hits. Then on wacked one of my pedals on a log and it split the pedal in half. Not repairable... so I bought some Eggbeaters and I love them. Less float but very lite and stable with small cleats for easier walking. Easy to get into with some practice. I am even considering buying some for my road bike (I use Speedplay X3 now). After using both for riding and racing, I would go with the beaters.