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It's always somthing...someone please give some insight here(15 posts)

It's always somthing...someone please give some insight herehrdcorebikerboy
Dec 23, 2003 6:14 PM
I've only been riding regularly (group rides and all) for about a year. I like to think myself to be a good rider with nice road manners and all. But every once in a while I come along something I just don't get. Tell me if I did something wrong here that I'm clueless on.

Here it is. I took my bike down to Virginia Beach with the wife and kids to escape the DC area for a few days of R&R before the Christmas crunch for the last two days. As devine intervention would have it, the temperature hit a balmy 63 today! I take my bike (which has been on the trainer for the past several weeks) out on a glorious ride, upon which I pick up another rider just one mile in. I was coming from a dead stop, while he was entering my direction from a side street at full stride. He passes me going up over a bridge while I'm coming up to speed. I quickly caught pace coming down the other side of the bridge and found myself moving right along with the rider at around 22-23 mph with a very stiff headwind hitting us. I followed him in a loose draft for about a 2 miles and noticed his speed had slipped to about 20. Not wanting to be a total freeloader, I decided to pull a bit since we seemed to be comfortably pacing each other. I quickly worked around the guy and as I pass, he shouts at me "you shouldn't ride like that this time of the year!" He then split off and took another path. What in the good Lord's name could he have been refering to?? He made no signal at all to back off the draft when I was behind him, he came balsting along and passed me, indicating that he was out for a decent ride. Did I violate some sacred code of biking or is this guy just a Richard??
Some insightIndurain 03
Dec 23, 2003 8:14 PM
Unfortunately, situations like yours happen all to frequently. You just have to remember that some people are pricks. He was probably just embarrassed that he could not keep the pace and decided to dictate a pace at which you "should" ride. The only ounce of truth in his statement is that during the winter months, you should develop some base mileage. (Ride at a comfortable yet brisk pace for a few hundred Kms, then concentrate on higher intensity rides.)
Don't even give clowns like that a second thought and you will enjoy life much more.
what a knobsupercorsa
Dec 23, 2003 10:45 PM
sounds like the other guy had his chamois in a wad, and was using his reference to base miles as a lame-ass attempt to protect a miniscule ego.

my rule of thumb in situations like this is as follows; who's having more fun? whoever is having more fun is the person who is right.

ignore, carry on, grin a little bigger.

Here's another jimbo
Dec 23, 2003 11:21 PM
I don't know what his comment referred to, but if some stranger hopped on my wheel for two miles without saying anything it might annoy me. I would think etiquette would dictate a quick "how's it goin? Mind if I join you for a bit?" This would be a nice coversation starter if he was interested and a would give him the chance to say "no thanks."

Always ask?hrdcorebikerboy
Dec 24, 2003 5:00 AM
That's what vexed me here. Almost 99 percent of the time, when conversation is difficult (on a road with some traffic), a simple hand signal to back-off or to come around and pull is sufficient. I guess I need to be a bit more vocal.
depends on the game you are playing...hackmechanic
Dec 23, 2003 11:36 PM
There really is only one rule, ride your bike without affecting anyone around you. If someone gets upset because you're faster than they are then, well, maybe they should be faster. If a car honks at you the reconsider your place on the road. In the end it will read like this: those who are fast enough will ride with you, those who are faster than you will ride ahead of you, those who are slower will ride behind you, no one else counts.
You bruised his ego (nm)macalu
Dec 24, 2003 6:45 AM
Tell em, "I'm from Australia...G'Day Mate !!!!"Scot_Gore
Dec 24, 2003 8:03 AM
Here's a completely different POV...BowWow
Dec 24, 2003 8:27 AM
Maybe the guy was just making a friendly comment on the rather impressive pace you were both holding. He knew he would be pulling out soon and this was just his way of saying "wow, that was a good stretch!"

Just looking on the light side... 8^)

Merry Christmas, and God bless us, every one!
Here's a completely different POV...hrdcorebikerboy
Dec 24, 2003 9:21 AM
Can't ya just feel the love...
A couple of thoughtsDave Hickey
Dec 24, 2003 9:16 AM
1. Maybe he wasn't comfortable having someone on his wheel. Even if it was a loose draft, he might not have experience riding that close.

2. Some people just like to ride by themselves. Maybe he had a hard day and just wanted to get away and ride.

I don't think you broke a sacred code but I wouldn't say this guy was a Richard without knowing his thoughts.
some insight ?Chen2
Dec 24, 2003 11:04 AM
It's really hard for anyone here to know what was going on inside his head or yours. But here are my thoughts.

Two miles is a long way to ride "with" someone without offering to pull. If you had known each other, on a two mile stretch you might have worked together and taken turns several times. And had you entered into a conversation early, you would at least have established if he really wanted your company or if he wanted to be alone.

I'm not saying that either of you did something wrong, I just don't think you have enough information to form an opinion.

some insight ?hrdcorebikerboy
Dec 24, 2003 11:27 AM
Again, conversation was tough due to the fact we were on a road with traffic and a whole lot of wind. My experience has been a simple hand signal is more than sufficient to know what someone wants you to do -- such as back off or come around a pull. I think the lesson for me is to speak up just to make sure I know what they want. This guy was really pissed, which is what made it so strange. I didn't crowd him, waited for some sort of visual or verbal signal, but he sort of went from zero to pissed without much warning. Live and learn.
some insight ?MShaw
Dec 24, 2003 1:16 PM
Re: the two mile pull. I don't know about y'all, but if I ran into someone on the road that I didn't know, or trust that they'd ride safe, I'd rather have them behind me than in front! Much safer it the squirrel's behind you. He touches wheels, it isn't you going down... In front of you and you have to be very carefull how you ride.

I got the impression from the story that the guy that the OP met was trying to be helpful rather than prissy as if the OP was out busting a gut at a time when he doesn't need to be. I know I've scratched my head a bunch when being passed at warp speed during the winter. If you're training for early races (Feb/early Mar.) now's about the time to start thinking about harder rides. For most of us that don't live in SoCal or Fla it isn't time to go hard.

Granted, none of us but the OP was there so this is all conjecture on our parts.

Ratchet the intensity down some. Relax. Time to go hard is fast approaching!

Maybe he just doesn't like being drafted?Dave_Stohler
Dec 25, 2003 5:42 PM
I'm a pretty big guy myself, and it seems like every drafting freeloader wants to suck my rear wheel. Especially those who don't have any experience doing so. As a result, I rarely take kindly to strangers who draft me without asking.
My usual response, however, is to start slowing down, and to sit upright in my saddle. This usually gets the guy off my tail.