|Ti litespeed tuscany||fraser|
Dec 23, 2003 2:00 PM
|ANY ADVICE WELCOME. i currently ride a CAAD 4 cannondale for crit racing. it is super stiff and twitchy which i enjoy. i also have an old steel bike i use for longer training rides. i enjoy the comfort but hate the "spongy" feel when i stand up to sprint or grind up a hill. feel like im giving away a fair bit to the road.i am looking at a t Ti bike next....to race. i have been told it will somewhere in between the above two. is this correct. i dont want to go Ti if it is going to be too soft a ride. thanks ?|
|re: Ti litespeed tuscany||ClydeTri|
Dec 23, 2003 2:26 PM
|As an engineer my answer to you is basically yes, TI properties are in between AL and steel. Also as an engineer I really question all this hoopla about the differences in feel, compliance, etc. I really believe the ride differences in materiels are very minute. What most people are feeling are differences in frame design, wheels, tires, saddles etc. For somebody to say one rides better it would require a true double blind test with identical setup down to geometry, tubes, tires, even what kind of shoes you are wearing when you ride. Invariably when you get on a bicycle you note the material involved and make an instaneous judgment on how it will ride, thus you are immediately biased. Yes, materials have different properties, I just question how much a person can feel them. How many of you have an AL bike and another frame type that are built up exactly the same in all aspects down to the type of rails on your saddle? NOBODY! Thus, you are comparing apples and oranges. Albeit, I like how my carbon frames ride :~)|
|I tried to do a careful, double-blind study of just this issue,||djg|
Dec 24, 2003 7:14 AM
|but I crashed.|
Dec 24, 2003 10:59 AM
|I'm an engineer also, and a garage framebuilder - working in lugged steel. More importantly, I'm a frame junkie and have bought/made quite a few frames over the years so my opinion has some measure of experience behind it.
From my experience, in order of importance, ride quality is most effected by tires first, fork second, and frame third. To test this for yourself, try some 20c tires and then swap out for 23's. Huge difference, greater than any change in frame! Similarly, soft forks, like the original HSC 1 and 2, are much more comfortable than a Kestral or Wound-Up.
I also can say that there IS a difference in the way different frames feel. The difference has more to do with the USE of the material, rather than by the actual material itself. For example, it's possible to tailor the ride quality of a frame by changing around the tube sizes and thickness. Bottom line is that there are stiff frames and there are soft ones. As a general rule, Al frames tend to be stiff and Ti tends to be soft. This has more to do with conventional building wisdom than material properties. For example again, people expect a Ti frame to be light so most builders use thin, light tubes. End result is that most Ti frames are fairly flexible. They don't have to be this way, but typically are.
Regarding the Tuscany (I owned one recently until when it was stolen), it's a medium stiff frame in absolute terms but compared to a Cannondale, it will feel flexi in the bottom bracket area. If you want stiff, go with a Dean using the 1-3/4" down tube. This is the stiffest Ti frame going if you're into that sort of thing. I don't think bottom bracket flex makes the frame slower, but it does feel funky if you are used to stiff.
Just my $0.02 - and overpriced at that!
|check out Dean||gtx|
Dec 23, 2003 4:09 PM
|Cheaper, beefy downtube, Breezer-style dropouts, regular hs, and did I say cheaper?|
|Yup...Dean has what you are looking for||Gregory Taylor|
Dec 23, 2003 7:04 PM
|Nice bikes, good value, and the big, beefy tubes make them sort like ti Cannondales. I LOVE mine. I own an El Diente CTI -- straight gauge ti, carbon seat stays. Good sprinter and climber, nippy handling, and very comfortable.
You can talk to the guys at the shop and they will tweak the tube selection to match your desires. They did this for me at no extra charge.
|2003 Tuscany's on sale at Colorado Cyclist||B2|
Dec 24, 2003 3:48 PM
|Just got the new Colorado Cyclist catalog in the mail today. They have the 2003 Tuscany's on sale (frame & fork) for $1200. Sounds like a pretty decent deal.
Dec 26, 2003 8:59 AM
|I don't see why anyone would buy a LS that's not on end of year blowout--these prices appear consistently at the end of every year. I wouldn't mind a Classic for the price of that Tuscany.|| |