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Being Dogmatic ...(16 posts)

Being Dogmatic ...Mycroft
Dec 16, 2003 3:57 AM
Folks, here's my new ride. Got tempted by a good deal (previous owner barely rode it and traded for 1 size up). So Christmas has come early for me.

Having said that and knowing that many of you are may be faced with the question that I thought about, here is my provisional answer, having owned all of these bikes, although the Dogma has been the shortest with me.

Dogma > DeRosa King > Fondriest TF1.

No contest - long way between the 1st and second place - evident from the first ride!

This is my humble opinion. Have fun with your own choices!

TC
The Others ... DeRosa KingMycroft
Dec 16, 2003 4:09 AM
DeRosa King
The Others ... Fondriest Top CarbonMycroft
Dec 16, 2003 4:10 AM
TF1
The Others ... Fondriest Top Carbonrdbike
Dec 16, 2003 9:12 AM
If that is your bike, you are a lucky man!
pheeeww! i love those onda forks and stays..colker1
Dec 16, 2003 5:51 AM
now, why it it better than the other 2? handling?
Actually, ...Mycroft
Dec 16, 2003 6:30 AM
... I don't really like the looks of the Onda stays and fork - call me conservative or strait-laced, but give me the grace of a single curve any day!

The Dogma has a buttery smooth ride. From the first pedal, you can clearly tell the quality of the ride is just incredible!! I thought Carbon fibre was supposed to be comfortable with vibration damping qualities. It is strange then that the TF1 and the King can differ so much with very similar geometries. The TF1 is too harsh a ride for me. It transmits every groove and road imperfection to your butt and hands.

All the bikes are incredibly stiff and you could never feel any appreciable flex (at my 160lbs and modest power generation) with any of them, but the TF1 has to take the cake. The TF1 also has too quick a steering for my liking - to the point of feeling nervous. It certainly changes direction with thought-like speed. A little too much for me.

The Dogma is the best riding bike that I have tried/owned, tracks and steers with incredible precision, yet does not feel overly twitchy. There is really no way to describe the ride till you try it. And its cheaper than the TF1 to boot!!

And so that we are comparing like with like, I have used mostly similar components on these bikes over different periods of time (altho the photos do show some different wheels etc).

TC
I drool over all threeMel Erickson
Dec 16, 2003 6:56 AM
I'm a real fan of stealth black and to me the Fondriest looks the finest. However, the gold on the Dogma is fantastic. The funky fork and seat stays are a little odd, I agree. Do you still have the King and TF1? What size are these bikes? From an aesthetic point of view I don't care for a sloping top tube which gives the Dogma an edge, but I still can't get over those funky curves.
I love black as well ...Mycroft
Dec 16, 2003 2:40 PM
... hence the 2 carbon bikes (I thought that I would be a carbon freak for life!!).

But then came the Dogma in gold. I'm thinking of switching to the all black as well so that it wouyld be less flashy and hence less noticeable. But the next shipment is next year and I got this one at about 25% off new. So I succumbed!

TC
She's a beauty!! (nm)PEDDLEFOOT
Dec 16, 2003 7:03 AM
what I found...C-40
Dec 16, 2003 7:47 AM
Is that you don't have to spend a fortune to get a smooth ride. I only weigh 135, so I feel a too-stiff bike immediately.

I hate to admit it, but my cheap ($800 frame & fork) Fondriest MDC rides almost as good as my expensive C-40. The geometry is quick, but it's never been a problem. In fact, I kind of prefer it on technical mountain descents.

If I pick up each bike while standing on a digital scale, I get the same reading, which means that the bikes also weigh within .5 pound of each other.
I agree ...Mycroft
Dec 16, 2003 2:46 PM
C40, I've tracked your posts and have found that you invariably give good, sage advice!!

You can approximate a Dogma's ride on a good steel bike and it would not be prohibitively expensive. But then as you can probably tell, I'm a weight freak! All the bikes weighs that I have weigh in at 15lbs with some change.

OTOH, I'm not sure if at 160lbs, the Dogma feels ideal to me whether the same can be said of a 180 or 220lb rider. The feel and ride obviously will vary. This part of the reason, that perhaps European/Italian bikes seem to suit me better.

TC
You own all three?!?!?!?!?triple shot espresso
Dec 16, 2003 8:02 AM
you incredible bastard! The Dogma is a thing of beauty. For the level and price and style I think the chrome stickers are kind of cheesey. But I think I would ride one anyway :-)
After riding the Dogma ...Mycroft
Dec 16, 2003 2:50 PM
... I intend to sell the other frames. I don't see myself riding them anymore.

Anyway, it would also appease the Dragon Lady, who is my wife ... :-)

I think you know what I mean. So I'll be left with just 1 MTB, 1 Hybrid and the Dogma. More manageable.

TC
What seat is on the Dogma? nmNo_sprint
Dec 16, 2003 8:12 AM
selle italia storika .colker1
Dec 16, 2003 10:01 AM
the stiffest saddle i have ever seen.
Actually ...Mycroft
Dec 16, 2003 2:57 PM
The Dogma has the Selle Italia Evolution 3 at 130g (Ti rails), the TF1 had an AX Lightness Endurance at 85g (Carbon rails) and the King had on the Gipemme 2000 at 127g (Ti rails).

Amongst the 3 comfort is rated at - Evolution 3>AX Lightness>Gipemme. The Evolution has the Flite shape and the carbon shell flexes the most to keep it comfy.

I also have a Fizik Alliante on carbon rails and that is the softest saddle, but feels a little mushy. Its on the MTB.

The Selle Italia basic SLR is the worst of my whole lot that I have. The SLR Transam is much better.