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SIDI Genius 3 and Time Impact a NO GO??(11 posts)

SIDI Genius 3 and Time Impact a NO GO??xrmattaz
Dec 3, 2003 8:37 PM
Just got the Time pedals to go wit my SIDI shoes.

Mounted up the cleats, tried to engage the pedals...nothing I can do will make the cleats click into those pedals. NOTHING.

Look-style adapter plates mounted securely to the shoes with the TIME cleat. Is the spacer causing an interference??

What's wrong??
You don't need the adapter plate...Scollopini
Dec 3, 2003 9:02 PM
The Time cleat should go straight onto the Sidi shoe - no problem. You don't need the adapter plate at all.
re: SIDI Genius 3 and Time Impact a NO GO??crankset
Dec 3, 2003 9:48 PM
I have the same setup and they work great. Like you, I am using the Look pedal adapter. If I were you I would get one of the shoes and just try to clip it into the pedal with your hand, not with your foot, just so you can see what's going on. Maybe you are not used to this type of pedal and you are having a difficult time clipping in, there's probably nothing wrong with the pedals or cleats. When I clip in I used just about the same technique you would use with Look pedals, you engage the front of the pedal with the front of the cleat and then just push down on the pedal.

I know Impact cleats don't perfectly fit a lot of shoe soles but they fit perfectly on Sidi's with Look adapters. I don't know about the advise of not using an adapter. Seems like Sidi shoes have a funky curvature on the sole, not the adapter, and that is why Speedplay cleats can be installed without adapters on them but with special wedges that only fit the Sidi shoe. So as far as not using an adapter, I would have to hear it from the Time people. I wrote them before buying the pedals about the float and they were very prompt in their response and very detailed.

The pedals have worked great for me. Let us know how it goes.
Here's the link - you don't need adapters...Scollopini
Dec 3, 2003 10:00 PM
The link below is to the Time Impact site - it says in plain English that Sidi shoes (along with others shoes listed) don't require adapter plates when used with Time Impact Pedals. I have Sidi Energy shoes and Time Impact S pedals - LBS set them up - never required any adapters.
Scollopini is absolutely right!crankset
Dec 3, 2003 11:33 PM
I went ahead, removed the Look Sidi adapter, installed the cleat straight to the sole and it is a perfect fit!! When I first put the cleats on, I fitted the cleats to the sole without the adapter and it seemed to me that it wasn't a good fit, I saw a gap in the middle but now that I got it all tight it looks great.

Thanks Scollopini, I learned something new today. One thing though is that I had already ground down the area where the adapter fits to help another style of cleat go on. I don't know if it is necessary to grind down the sole a litte bit. Mine was already ground down and the cleat fit just fine.
Hopefully this will help.kushogun
Dec 4, 2003 8:27 AM
The debate whether to use the adapter plate or not is somewhat misdirected in regards to your inability to engage the cleat with the pedal. All comments so far have been correct as you can mount the cleat directly to the sole, or use the adapter plate (this usually requires longer 5mm screws than the ones provided by Time or Sidi). However, with the Impact, Impact Mag, and Impact Mag Ti there have been runs in which the retention spring is wound super tight! I noticed this with my set. My shoes are Genius 4's and I spent about 30 minutes with the bike in the trainer trying to engage the cleat. I work at a LBS as well and customers have had the same problem, even to the point of being so fed up with them that they get something else. However, with some time and effort, you will be able to engage the pedal and the spring will wear in. I noticed the spring to be right where I wanted it in about 300-400 miles, so less than a month to get use to it. If for some reason however, you can't get yours to work, I would return them and go for the Shimano SPD-SL pedal. These have so much hype behind them but i've sold numerous pairs of both the Ultegra PD-6620 and Dura Ace both the PD-7500 and the PD-7800 (wider platform) with absolutely satisfied customers. One more note on the Impacts. Try switching the cleats to different shoes if you haven't tried this already. This will change the release angle but for some reason this typically allows people to at least engage the pedals to begin the wear in process. Once the spring is worn in, you may change the cleats back to the desired side in order to achieve the 13 or 17 degree release angle. Good luck and keep the rubber side down!
The use of an adapter plate MAY be the issue!!!!!Scollopini
Dec 4, 2003 1:59 PM
The use of an adapter plate with Time imapact pedals and Sidi shoes is likely THE reason you can't engage the pedal easily/at all. The adapter plate is causing your cleat to be mounted too far away from the proper engagement point in the pedal. Its just not that difficult to understand!!!

We have the unusual situation in our club where many riders (at least a dozen) ride this shoe/pedal combo - noone uses adapter plates - they are not needed, they are not recommended by Time, they are PROBABLY causing this problem.
Thanks for the insight! Upon further....xrmattaz
Dec 4, 2003 7:08 PM
inspection and fiddling this evening, I have found the use of the adapter plate necessary! The cleat itself it too wide to fit into the recess on the SIDI G3 shoe.

The problem "clicking" in was due to my use of the SIDI screws rather than the "recessed" TIME screws. I am now at peace with this pedal/shoe combo. Those big brass SIDI screws were just getting in the way.

There is NO way to mount the TIME cleats directly to the SIDI Genius 3 shoe.....without Dremelling something.
Glad its fixed...Scollopini
Dec 4, 2003 8:13 PM
But without wanting to get into a pointless discussion - you can mount the cleats straight onto the Genius 3 sole!!! I'm holding a pair of Genius 3's in my hands right now with these cleats - no plate. It even tells you so on the Time web page quoted in earlier post. Still, if you're happy I'm happy!
Glad its fixed...nazgul
Dec 4, 2003 8:50 PM
Can you post a picture if you have a digicam? I have a pair mounted to my Energy's using the Look adapter plate. The cleat is wider than the cutout part of the shoe, so I had to use the adapter. I have an old pair of Genius 2s and again, the cleat is wider than the cutout. Interestingly enough I had to take a trip to the hardware store for the same reason as described above, too bad I just came upon this thread.
OK but...Scollopini
Dec 4, 2003 9:59 PM
I'm in Australia - its Friday arvo here now - I'll post on Monday as this is my work PC if I can get hold of a digital camera.

You're right - The cleat IS wider than the cutout part of the sole - doesn't matter though, you just screw down onto the outer (upper) part of the sole. As I said - don't know anyone who uses an adapter plate with Sidis and Impact cleats other than you guys! The Time Impact site also confirms that no plate required as does the 15,000km I've done in my Sidi Energy shoes (Millenium sole) without plates.