|Riding in the drops - do you move forward slightly?||Fez|
Dec 2, 2003 4:52 PM
|Do you move forward in the saddle very slightly when you ride the drops?
I "accidently" discovered this recently and find it MUCH EASIER to stay in the drops and for a MUCH LONGER period of time. I spent almost an hour straight in the drops and I felt real good, am still sitting on my sit bones, and am still able to maintain a smooth pedaling action at the usual 95 RPM cadence, although power may be slightly less.
So do a lot of cyclists ride a bit more forward when in the drops as compared to the hoods?
Is this the secret to spending extended periods (more than just 10-15 minutes at a time) in the drops?
Previously, I used to ride the same KOPS position (1-2cm behind) regardless of whether I was in the drops, hoods or tops.
|re: Riding in the drops - do you move forward slightly?||tempeteOntheRoad|
Dec 2, 2003 5:43 PM
I do tend to sit at the tip of the saddle when hammering on the flats, hands on the drops. Also when I'm just spinning.
It gives me a more "compact" position over the pedals.
I also noted that "getting in the drops" speeds up my cadence a little and my speed goes 1, 2 or 3 km/hr more for what I feel is the same effort. So when I am a little spent and I need to keep it going, I get in the drop and it makes me psycologically better because I am conviced I ride faster for the same effort, like a bonus somehow. On a training ride, if I feel I start to drift back, I get in the drop and spin on...
Sometimes, I just get too tired to do it, and it is always when it counts in a race...
About the position, strangely, on my mountain bike, I hammer while sitting at the back of the saddle, getting on the tip only on very technical climbs.
On the road, I dont get to that extend to the tip, but it does place me more "over the pedals".
And don't give me no s(*)i(t) about my bike fit, top tube (virtual one, as I ride a compact frame) lenght or stem reach! I know what is goot for me... Ha ha!
tempete in the winter
|No, I don't||Dropped|
Dec 3, 2003 9:03 AM
|It would seem that the need to scoot forward is indicative of too long a top tube. Of course, you should be optimally set up for whatever your normal riding position is -- tops, hoods or drops. I ride about 60/40 drops/hoods, so I'm comfortable in either position without the need to scoot.
Anyway, everyone's body length, bike set up and riding style is different. Whatever works for you is what's best.
Dec 3, 2003 12:06 PM
|I've always been one who likes to ride behind 1-2 cm behind KOPS, yet can still maintain a relatively high cadence (usually at least 95 RPM).
Overall, it works well for me, especially in the hoods and tops.
But as far as riding real low in the drops are concerned, it seems easier to ride in neutral KOPS than it does 1-2cm behind KOPS, even if the effective reach of both setups are identical.
Is this because its harder to roll the pelvis fwd while maintaining a flat back?
|yes there's a secret||cyclopathic|
Dec 3, 2003 10:56 AM
|to riding long in drops /actually 2/
- right amount bar drop and proper set up.
if you have to slide forward you either don't have enough flexibility or bike isn't set up right for you.
Dec 3, 2003 11:49 AM
|My bike setup is fine and flexibility is good. FYI, saddle to bar drop is approx 6-7cm.
I have it set up so that I could ride the hoods all day at approx 1-2cm behind KOPS and still be comfortable on the drops or tops.
True, I could bring the bars closer and higher and possibly move the saddle fwd a fraction to make riding the drops more comfortable, but then I might feel too upright and cramped on the tops and hoods.
|had the same problem||cyclopathic|
Dec 3, 2003 1:26 PM
|'till I put on shallow drop bars, olde trustful Cinelli 64. Had actually lower bars a bit, but after that hoods and drops are equally comfortable, can ride all day long.
Second angle has a lot to do with comfort, if you run bars parallel to ground you may be getting wrist strain, my "sweet spot" when I point bars ~1/3 down seatstay from brake. Take a closer look at your set up, try to set up shifters/bars to follow natural wrist angle, it may be you shift in saddle to avoid bending wrist too much.
It took me a while to get dialed in, but I had to, little discomfort becomes big problem after 20hr+ in saddle. From what it sounds you might have better luck with shallower bars.
|You have discovered what it means to be "On the rivet"....||Tom C|
Dec 3, 2003 2:06 PM
|the rivet alluding to the nose rivet of the old style now chic leather riveted saddles. No matter, I do agree with you and there is no problem as evidenced by your own report of comfort. I think as you bend your elbows and rotate your pelvis forward there is a natural tendency to move somewhat forward, not a lot mind you but forward toward the "rivet" or now nose of the saddle. I further think that as you pick up cadence and go into full time trial effort your body compacts tending to want to move further forward. This is just another example of why KOPS is BS and is only really useful as a general set-up guideline.|| |