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best US-built AL race frame for the money?(14 posts)

best US-built AL race frame for the money?gtx
Dec 1, 2003 9:37 AM
Not including $100 Taiwanese frames (I know these can be a great value). Frame must be Aluminum, and it has to be built in the United States. For comparison sake, let's stick to retail prices (I know you can get C'dales cheap under certain circumstances, but what do they retail for?). Anyway, I'm going to nominate the Titus Drop-U. Just seems to be a killer frame for $800.

So I'm curious what other great US-built AL road frames are out there. Any great custom AL frames under $1k? Also, what kinds of warranties do these frames have (I think Titus still has a good crash replacement and/or no fault warranty).
Co-Motion makes a killer alu frame...nmcustomsteel
Dec 1, 2003 9:56 AM
yes, but not cheap nmgtx
Dec 1, 2003 10:28 AM
how does your frame know where it was built?wardinside
Dec 1, 2003 10:42 AM
There is no evidence that I have ever seen that indicates that US built frames ride better or worse. It seems strange to limit comparision to US built - when everyone knows now that some bikes say they are built in one place and the frame is actually made somewhere else.
And would you exclude frames made in Canada? If not, could you exceed the ones from Quebec and include the others?
Why not Italian or English frames?

TITUS is nice, but certaianly not a great deal - and unlikely the best ride.
it doesn't, but I dogtx
Dec 1, 2003 11:08 AM
And I'd rather give my hard earned money to smaller US builders. Maybe it's cause I worked in the bike industry for 10 years and got to meet a lof of these builders, and I'd like to help support their efforts. And I have never been too been impressed with the quality of any of the high end Euro frames I've owned or built up/worked on, and the Taiwanese don't have to conform to the same labor or environmental standards we do (if you doubt this, read the article listed above--then compare it to the practices/polices of companies like Chris King). I'm also guessing there is a very good chance that many of the so-called Euro frames are now built in Taiwan. Canada is fine, I have no issues with Canada. I always kind of liked knowing that my Bontrager, Ibis, etc., were built by guys who rode some of the same trails or roads I was riding on. And since there usually seems to be an emphasis on US-built steel, I was curious what kind of US-built AL options were out there.
it doesn't, but I do;;; Do you? is the questionwardinside
Dec 1, 2003 12:00 PM
Those made in Canada bikes you see are frequently built with frames made in Taiwan -- PROCYCLE the largest maker in Canada (CCM, ORYX, Rocky Mountain)and imports thousands of frames from Taiwan.
so you might actually have a nice bike with maple leaf; but neither the bike nor you know it's true origin.
and that still will not make it ride better or worse

Myself - I support the ideas of Adam Smith - just a choice I guess
well aware of thatgtx
Dec 1, 2003 12:09 PM
Like I said, I worked in the bike industry for a while...that's been going on for a long time. I'm interested in varified US-built frames.
Some Canadian frames...hudsonite
Dec 1, 2003 5:11 PM
Canada makes lots of bikes. Many wear the "Designed in Canada", which is short for "Designed in Canada, Made in Taiwan".

But for really nice Aluminum (and steel) bikes that are designed and made in Canada, check out

www.marinoni.qc.ca

These guys have been designing, welding and painting custom and non-custom frames for over 25 years. The tubing is Columbus, made in italy I believe, but the actual bikes are handmade by craftsman at their location in Montreal. They make bikes from Starship, Airplane, Zonal, Ultrafoco and Zona tubing. The new Carbon bike is not made here though.

The only problem with Marinoni is that they are so popluar. They are the road bike of choice for people that know roadbikes in and around Montreal. You see more of them on the road then Trek's (which is number 2). You basically order a Marinoni the way you want and they build it for you. Takes a couple of months I believe...You pick the model, the color, size (custom if required) and components, then they build it and paint if for you.

Another good local frame builder is Gurubikes.com. They design and make a lot of nice frames. They are also truly made in Canada. (Not sure about the carbon bikes though).

There are is long list of other companies, Cervello, DeVinci, Opus, Argon, Norco.... Some are made here, most are not.

Years ago I purchased a Marin bike. It had an american flag on it, with "Designed in the USA". LBS told me it was an american made bike. Under the BB it says made in Taiwan. It can be difficult to buy a US/Canadian bicycle product. It is never clear from the bike itself.
This is not at all strange to limit it to US built framesrussw19
Dec 2, 2003 1:43 PM
If the person who started the thread (gtx) specifically wants a US built frame who are you or I or anyone else to try to talk him out of it. If he percieves the US frame to be better, than no amount of facts or logic can overcome that perception. No amount of reality can argue against perception. The purpose of the arguement is not to decide the best aluminium frame for the money built in the US and Canada and Mexico and China, but the best built in the US.

Aren't you the same person that posted about how nobody answers simple questions but instead always brings in other non-important factors? Stick to US built frames... that's the question the poster wanted answered, but if you start including Canada and Italy, you moved away from the question.

Russ
re: best US-built AL race frame for the money?oldbutslow
Dec 1, 2003 11:58 AM
Check out Ionic Bikes. They build steel and aluminum for Dean Bikes. Pretty good deals.
cool!gtx
Dec 1, 2003 12:13 PM
Looks good for $700.

http://www.ionicbikes.com/Ole/bikes_ole.htm
What's really cool...oldbutslow
Dec 1, 2003 6:52 PM
is they don't gouge you on the fork options like so many "custom" builders.
re: best US-built AL race frame for the money?MShaw
Dec 1, 2003 11:30 PM
Why not talk to someone like Russ Denny or Andy Gilmour and have an AL bike custom made for you? I'm pretty sure that Russ will build you an AL bike for about $800 with an Ouzo comp.
I've ridden one of Andy Gilmour's steel frames. Very nice.

I'm riding a Specialized S-Works frame now that I like. What about the "Big S?"

Ellsworth?
Salsa?

Anyone?

Mike
re: best US-built AL race frame for the money?gtx
Dec 2, 2003 10:28 AM
The Specialized and Salsa are made in Taiwan. I'm gonna guess the Ellsworth is big $$$. I'll check into Russ Denny or Andy Gilmour, thanks.