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Short top tube frames?(15 posts)

Short top tube frames?Woof the dog
Nov 27, 2003 10:37 PM
Are there any manufacturers that make frames with a top tube that is shorter than seat tube? I have long legs... like a b!tch :-( It seems every frame I look at has top tube the same or longer than seat tube. Or maybe I just haven't really looked. So if you know of any or have any ideas, throw me a bone.

Muchas gracias

Woof, the dog that rides.
Classic italian geometry is square at 56 c-c usually...Spunout
Nov 28, 2003 4:12 AM
looking at competitive cyclist (damn, that blinky ad is good for something) a Pinarello is 57x56.5, Colnago is 57x56.9, etc....

Depends on your bike size Rex. New American geometries can be a bit longer, but check the laid back seat angles. My Lemond is 55x56.5.
re: Short top tube frames?bsdc
Nov 28, 2003 6:15 AM
I wanted a relatively shorter top tube and a little taller head tube for a more comfortable riding position. I bought a Litespeed Veneto. They now have an aluminum version called the Palio. Serotta has similar designs in steel or titanium called the Fierte.

I love the design. No need for a large stack of spacers or an upturned stem. I find my weight is distributed more evenly, leading to less hand pressure. I find it is very comfortable to ride on the tops, hoods or drops.

Don't get caught up on the seat tube length. These are compact frames with very short seat tubes and sloping top tubes. Go for a test ride. That's all it took for me to know this was the design for me.
Go retroContinental
Nov 28, 2003 7:31 AM
Frame geometry with top tube proportional to seat tube is relatively recent. Older frames in tall sizes almost always have top tubes shorter than seat tubes. Check out something like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3641686710&category=22681
WSD? smaller frame?cyclopathic
Nov 28, 2003 11:02 AM
Trek, LeMond make frames in WSD geom with shorter TT; Cannondale has a line of Feminine frames. New carbon spine steel LeMonds look really nice.. Also many companies like Cannondale, Litespeed, Serotta have custom program, Cannondale charges ~100$ extra. Some cross bikes have more uprite geom, check it out.

But technically all you need to do is to buy frame size smaller and then run longer seatpost and a few extra spacers under the stem, really
re: Short top tube frames?Steve D
Nov 28, 2003 12:09 PM
Check out Merckx. I have a 60cm (c-c) that comes with a 58.3cm top tube. When combined with a slack 72 degree seat angle, it fits me really well as I have similar proportions to you.

IIRC, Look has shorter top tubes too.
be more specific...C-40
Nov 28, 2003 1:48 PM
Post the desired frame size (c-t) or (c-c). Different brands vary along the size range.

Some models of LOOK frames, with the 72.5 STA have relatively short top tubes, other models don't.
I'm in the same boatSpiderman
Nov 28, 2003 4:21 PM
I currently ride a 57x57 but need something more along the lines of a 59x57. I have a bunch of spacers and a lot of seatpost sticking up but i really shouldn't.

I have noticed the Looks have a shorter TT but also a slack seat tube angle which sort of cancel each other out. Custom is always an option i suppose but i don't have the bank for it.
Slack ST plus short TT shorten the bike more, no? nmSpunout
Nov 29, 2003 4:48 AM
i guess they favor long femur people or..colker1
Nov 29, 2003 7:09 AM
anyone who is not akin to spin. or all of these theories are a load of @#$%
re: Short top tube frames?mollythedog
Nov 28, 2003 5:47 PM
i ride a independant fab. (custom) that is a 59cm s-t by a 56.5 top tube. I had to go cuatom but i could not be happier. i also have longer legs then my torso. I just ordered a calfee with a 58 seat tube by a 57 top tube. I will be a little more stretched out. The trick I think is to get the head tube length correct and A little extra seat post showing is no big deal.
my 2 cents
thank you all (nm)Woof the dog
Nov 28, 2003 10:05 PM
nm
Gios still makes 'em like that nm.desmo
Nov 29, 2003 12:07 PM
go customwooden legs
Nov 29, 2003 2:10 PM
i'd get a custom built frame, nothing will ever fit better than a frame built to your exact measurements. especially if your body type isn't the norm. check out a small builder like Circle A, super high class steel for a reasonable price.
GiosDropped
Dec 1, 2003 9:07 AM
Gios seems to have the shortest TT's out there.

I think that the loooong U.S. TT's are nuts. I rode one for a while and felt uncomfortable in the stretched out position. Plus, when you are so stretched out, you can't ride with much drop. Sure, I could switch to a shortie stem, but . . .

Anyway, I'm a firm believer in the square Itallian geometry, at least for my body. Fits me like a glove.