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Dble left-turn lanes with option..., which do you choose?(13 posts)
|Dble left-turn lanes with option..., which do you choose?||curtybirdychopper|
Nov 25, 2003 2:11 PM
|I've gotten into sketchy situations no matter which lane I choose, but the situation is this. In my area there are a few double left turn lanes (two lanes making the left turn) with the outer-most lane (right lane) having the option of going either left or straight.
Where do the cyclists go? Do you choose the outside of the right lane or the between the two turn lanes. I usually choose the outer-most lane (the lane on the right), and follow the cars along the outside of the turn. Is there a correct place for cyclists to be? Whats the correct way to go on this? Are these common in states other than CA?
|only possible place||mohair_chair|
Nov 25, 2003 2:18 PM
|You are correct, choose the right most lane. If you take the leftmost lane you are in competition with the cars in the righmost lane after completing the turn, since you are required to ride on the right side of the street. Taking the leftmost lane is awkward for drivers and dangerous for you, plus you don't have to deal with U-turners.|
|re: Dble left-turn lanes with option..., which do you choose?||wily in pacifica|
Nov 25, 2003 2:20 PM
|I have a turn just like this on my commute. If you stay on the outside of the right lane you are in a bad place if the car next to you, which has the option of straight or left turn, is going straight.
At my intersection I get in the middle of the right lane. This way the car behind me has to stay behind me and I am good to go to make my left.
If the line is long, and I want to jump to the front while the light is red, I ride up and get directly in front of the car in the right lane. I have never had a problem with drivers at this intersection because I can usually anticipate the light, by watching the other light turn yellow, and get out of their way quickly.
Willy in Pacifica
|I'm looking at the timing and type||lotterypick|
Nov 25, 2003 2:27 PM
We're 39 and 37 with kids 9 and 7. You've got young kids it looks like and ride your tandem (except when you're not riding through a sand storm (great story)).
Is Santana the way to go?
Does your wife ride a lot or just kind of?
Just thinking on it. THanks.
|I'm looking at the timing and type||wily in pacifica|
Nov 26, 2003 9:34 AM
First of all you should start a new discussion on this topic to get more input.
Yes I have a tandem and a triplet. The tandem is a Bilenky and the triplet is a Santana.
When I first got into riding tandems I thought there was nothing better than a Santana but now I realize it was mostly because of their marketing.
I guess if I try to compare them to singles you might think of the Santanas as the Litespeed of tandems. They make great bikes and you will see a lot of them. But for me I would rather have a Merlin, Seven or Moots. Not that they are any better but you wont see as many on the road as the Litespeed.
So, back to tandems. If Santana is the Litepeed then the others are tandems like Co-Motion, Erickson, Meridian, Bilenky. If you are not into tandems none of these names may sound familiar but all are equal or better than Snatanas.
Santanas also have a few quirks like 1.250 headtubes and 160mm rear spacing. Again, not a big deal unless you are looking for a stem or rear hub. There are tons of 1.125 stems and most tandem hubs are 145mm.
Now a decent tandem will set you back about $2.5k-$3k new for entry level. There are some really good tandems out there like Cannondales, Burleys, the new Treks or the entry level steel Santana and Co-Motion.
If you want something boutique you go for the Co-Motion, or Meridian and if you realy want to drop some coin then you go for a Bilenky or the Erickson for around $5k and up.
But if you are a normal sized rider, 55cm-60cm single bikes, then you can save a fortune by getting a used tandem. A lot of folks get into tandems then one will lose interest and the bike sits in the garage. You can get them for half price or less. The problem is the sizing and waiting for one in your size to come up on Ebay, etc. But I got the deal of the century on a $6k+ tandem for under $2k and I got my $5k triplet for $1k.
As far as sizing goes, unless you have a really tall or short stoker you really only have to size the bike for the captain. This helps when you are shopping for a used tandem. The stoker compartment has a lot of adjsutments and the stoker usually only clips out when mounting and dismounting the bike so their standover is not as much an issue as the Captains.
My wife does not ride much at all and only on the tandem if she does ride. My main stokers are my kids and I have a blind friend who I ride with. My blind friend and I even did a week long tour down the CA coast from OR/CA border back to San Francisco.
Here is a picture of my then almost 4 year old coming back from a 35 miler around Paradise Loop in Marin.
Willy in Pacifica
|yeah, thats a good idea. line up in the rt lane like a car.||curtybirdychopper|
Nov 25, 2003 2:51 PM
|I'll try that from now on. Anticipating the light is also a courteous idea.
When there are dble left turn lanes, both turning left, have you ever had cars making the left turn in the opposing traffic ever hesitate to see exactly where you are going when it looks like you are headed straight for them? Its almost funny, but at least drivers are erring on the catious side around bikes.
|re: Dble left-turn lanes with option..., which do you choose?||MShaw|
Nov 26, 2003 10:06 AM
|See that last paragraph? That's what I do.
There's a death zag where I lived last year that required this kind of riding. Carmel Valley Rd. turning left onto El Camino Real, going under the 56 for those of y'all in San Diego...
|re: Dble left-turn lanes with option..., which do you choose?||lotterypick|
Nov 25, 2003 2:22 PM
|I take the right lane like you but I get in line with the cars. Meaning, I'm not on the outside of the lane.
All I need is some guy to think he can speed past me and go straight.
|center of the right lane||laffeaux|
Nov 25, 2003 3:01 PM
|In the case you describe, assuming you are turning left, you should be in the center of the right lane occupying the full width of the lane. It's the only safe place to be.
Anywhere in the left lane is a bad idea unless you plan on taking a second left soon after the intersection.
If you are on the right edge fo the right lane, you run the risk of being hit by the cars that are going straight.
Get in line behind the cars and take the full lane.
|center of the right lane, then turn around,||Straightblock|
Nov 25, 2003 3:18 PM
|look the driver behind you in the eye, and make a left turn signal so he knows where you're going.|
|Yep, seize total control of that right lane.||OldEdScott|
Nov 25, 2003 4:35 PM
|I mean TAKE it, dead center and confident. Look like a badass. Any place else and any other attitude is suicide.|
|re: If it is dangerous, I will ride through intersection||hudsonite|
Nov 25, 2003 3:36 PM
|If the intersection is dangerous, i will go straight through, stop on the other side, turn the bike towards the correct direction and then wait for a green light to go straight ahead. This avoids crossing traffic and is just as fast most of the time. YMMV|
|Gotta dominate the lane......||DY|
Nov 25, 2003 11:42 PM
|You need to be in the right lane of the two. Don't just ride up to the side of the leading car....he may end up going straight and then you're in trouble.
Stop behind the last car (if the line is not too long and take the whole lane......that way it is your lane and you can turn left in front of a car that may even be going straight.
The reason I say dominate....is becasue you have to make your intentions CLEAR to the other drivers and they MUST notice you.