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Bike or Car, which is worth more?(57 posts)

Bike or Car, which is worth more?Marketing Dept
Nov 25, 2003 10:50 AM
On a related note to my lunch time ride, I noticed something in the Y-Parking lot.

I have a 1994 Accord. It is an awesome car, 240k and still going strong. However, I felt a bit out of place amongst the Accura's, BMW's, Benz and the SUV's.

How about you, are you spending more on bikes than autos these days?
2002 Litespeed Pisgah / 1994 Hoda Accord - No contest nmMarketing Dept
Nov 25, 2003 10:52 AM
2003 Trek 5500 / Same 94 Accord nmMarketing Dept
Nov 25, 2003 10:56 AM
1996 Trek Y-Foil / Same Accord nmMarketing Dept
Nov 25, 2003 10:57 AM
Cannondale R3000, no car nmkevinacohn
Nov 25, 2003 10:59 AM
Even more bikes, Bianchi, Merckx, Specialized...Marketing Dept
Nov 25, 2003 11:00 AM
Whoa, I gotta sell something and start saving for a 1996 Accord!
Just the roof rack doubles the value of my 94 Camry. (nm)TFerguson
Nov 25, 2003 11:02 AM
re: Bike or Car, which is worth more?JS Haiku Shop
Nov 25, 2003 11:04 AM
1999 specialized rockhopper
1999 look kg286
2000 surly steamroller
2000 surly cross-check
2001 specialized sworks m4
2001 zeus pro
2001 merckx strada
2002 merckx elite
-----------------
<> 2003 honda element ex 4wd

no contest, vehicle wins. then again, if you make considerations for all the related cycling crap, it probably outranks the vehicle by a bit.

on a related note, with a 3-bike hitch mount, i could carry all the aforementioned bikes with the element, at the same time: 2 roof, 3 hitch, 3 internal.
WOW! You must have ripped off a lot of folks...oldbutslow
Nov 25, 2003 11:46 AM
not just me.

Notice to RBR's. Careful doing business with this @#$. He is not a man of honor!
Dude...what is your beef with J?biknben
Nov 25, 2003 12:04 PM
If you guys had some issues off-line, then let's keep it there.

No personal attacks!
Not a man of honor?TNSquared
Nov 25, 2003 1:12 PM
hmmmm.....J devotes alot of time and effort to leading group rides, serving as local bike club president, resurrecting cancelled cyclocross race series, coordinating out of town rides, providing guidance and advice to newcomers to the sport, and rather selflessly serving the bicycling community in many other ways - often at the expense of his own riding interests. Oh, and from my own business dealings with him and what I've seen on his eBay feedback, a pretty darn fair and reasonable person to deal with as well.

Gee, I guess you're right. But no need to worry about warning us RBR'ers. I'd say most of us have a pretty good picture of the kind of guy J is.

I don't know what transpired between you and J, but biknben is right. Whatever unsatisfactory dealings you may have had with J, this is is not the place to vent about it.
Careful making statements like that...Dave Hickey
Nov 25, 2003 1:29 PM
It's the second time you've mentioned your beef with J. There are two sides to every argument. Like the others, I've met J and communicated offline many times. He is one of the most respected members for this board. This is not the forum to make a personal attack.............
I don't make these statements lightlyoldbutslow
Nov 25, 2003 1:54 PM
Bikenben, TNSquared and Dave. I have tried to resolve our issues offline. If you know him personally, you may know of what I speak.

Briefly, I bought his used Chorus Group for a fair price. Received said items with a volcanoed rear wheel. There were other issues, none of which I couldn't live with. After many emails, some answered, some not, J said he would send me a check fo $30 for the new rim and a re-lace. Quite a bargain, huh?

Never even got the $30!

Forgive me for bringing this trash to this great forum. However, I have no other recourse. Maybe you guys can apply pressure to your friend to do the right thing????

tony
I don't make these statements lightlyTNSquared
Nov 25, 2003 2:45 PM
Unfortunately, J is out of town and offline, as he indicated in a post below, so he can't respond to your post. Otherwise, I'd leave any "defending" to him.

As I understand the story, though, J offered to have the wheel totally rebuilt by the original builder, Gary Hobbs. Gary was going to charge $30. You refused this remedy and insisted on having the wheel repaired locally with upgraded spokes, so J's offer of $30 was based on his cost to provide you an undamaged wheel.

It is unfortunate that you feel ripped off, but purchasing equipment online, sight unseen and without any type of written representations, remedies or contractual provisions runs the risk of misunderstandings between the parties involved. However, failure to reach a mutually agreeable resolution in this case does not make J dishonest or dishonorable.

I simly don't believe that J intentionally sold you an unusable wheel and refused to try to make it right. If you are unhappy with the resolution J proposed, fine - say so on the "bad trader" forum. You should stop short of attacking his character, though. Kinda discredits your position with anyone who knows J.
All partially correct...oldbutslow
Nov 25, 2003 3:17 PM
but, not entirely. Since you seem to be a personal friend of J's, why don't you ask why he never sent the $30 that he said he would. Maybe he just forgot??? I doubt it.

I never would have entered into an on-line deal if I didn't have a good feeling about the individuals character. I had read all his posts in the archives and his emails to me were quite professional. I am sure everything you say about J is true, which makes it even more difficult to understand his behavior on this whole matter.

I know I am at a disadvantage here. He has many friends and supporters and riding pals on this forum. Maybe you guys/gals can encourage him to come clean on this deal.

regards,
This is getting you nowhere...TNSquared
Nov 25, 2003 3:41 PM
As I said, this is either a misunderstanding or a failure to agree between you and J. There probably is no clear right or wrong. J feels like he made a fair offer to fix things, and you apparently don't think so. What I, or anyone else here thinks, is really irrelevant.

It's simple - J told you what he was willing to do. Beyond that you have no recourse, so you can either take his offer or refuse it. Of course, you need to contact him to see if his offer is even still good if you have decided to accept.

It is pointless to try to make your case to the board. It's not that anyone is taking sides, I just don't think anyone here wants the board to become an online jury just because you feel like you got a raw deal.

When you have a cycling question or topic and can avoid the personal attacks, post on this board again and you will find you are at a great advantage by coming here. Heck, you might even develop many friends and supporters and riding pals.
I regret the personal...oldbutslow
Nov 25, 2003 3:54 PM
attack made previously. My frustration boiled over and got the best of me.

TNSquared, you seem to be a reasonble man and a personal aquantance of J. Can you ask him why he never sent the check?
That was the agreement we reached.

regards,
What I can do...TNSquared
Nov 25, 2003 4:18 PM
When J returns from out of town I will direct him to your statement above regarding the agreement that you believe the two of you reached. Again, that's not to say you didn't, but perhaps J had a different understanding. I just simply don't know many details about the transaction and discussions that occurred, and for that reason I prefer not to become an involved third party.

I hope you reach an outcome that is acceptable to both of you.

BTW - you might get an argument from my high-school aged son as to how reasonable I seem to be. lol:)
I appreciate you help...oldbutslow
Nov 25, 2003 4:34 PM
and I understand your reluctance to become involved.

You can tell your son from me that he is wrong!

Oh wait, he's in high school? Never mind, he won't listen:)
Let's see...............Len J
Nov 25, 2003 3:00 PM
should I believe someone whose only contribution is a post like this or should I believe someone who has shone nothing but class for several years of Posting?

Let me think........

Oh yea, I got it now.

I put my money on J.

Len
Maybe you should ask J.oldbutslow
Nov 25, 2003 3:38 PM
BTW, to everyone who wants to know the rest of the story, I have posted the details in the Good-Bad trader forum.

Also, I apologize to all forum members for inadvertently hijacking this thread. The one poster's comment that this discussion should have been posted in the Trader Forum was spot on.

regards,
The car is worth more $, but I would down grade to a cheaper car before down grading the bike. nmfirstrax
Nov 25, 2003 11:06 AM
AmenBonked
Nov 25, 2003 11:12 AM
my car was worth a lot less, but then it died and i ended up with a new car that is fairly nice (first child on the way and we needed something big enough for us, the kid, the dogs, bikes, luggage, etc. when we travel). BUT, i appreciate the bike way more and would give up the car for a commute to work that I could ride everyday in a second (32 miles each way in the winter in minnesota is a BIT much!).
'90 Mazda Protegee, '03 Serotta CSIAlex-in-Evanston
Nov 25, 2003 11:13 AM
I don't think there's a component on my bike that's less than the value of my car.

Alex
Bike is Art, Car is Utilitarian to me. Bike's worth...BigFatSal
Nov 25, 2003 11:19 AM
.... more in actual dollars, as well as in other ways.

For example, I'd have to say I like my car but I love my bike... Make sense? I always keep my bike clean. I rarely wash my car and don't care. That said, I'd have a hard time getting by without the car, in practical terms....
sold car.. pinarello/ibis/mikkelsen. nmcolker1
Nov 25, 2003 11:24 AM
nm
bikes total at 85% of car costPmbH
Nov 25, 2003 11:27 AM
that's comparing purchase prices
about the same--they're all oldgtx
Nov 25, 2003 11:29 AM
All my cars and bikes are old. My newest bike is 9 years old, my newest car is 15 years old. My 38 year old car is probably the most valuable of the lot, but none are really worth much by most people's standards.
Cars are worth more but my bikes are on the higher end ofDave Hickey
Nov 25, 2003 11:40 AM
spectrum. We have have two cars, a Honda CRV and a Mitsubishi Montero Sport. They are hardly on the high end of spectrum...Conversely, my bikes are higher end bicyles.

My cars are Huffys and my bikes are Mercedes..
Bike for now, but . . .ms
Nov 25, 2003 11:45 AM
The time has come to replace my 1987 Honda Accord (mainly used to drive from home to the subway parking lot and back). So, soon my car will be worth more in $$$, but my bike still will be more valuable to me.
1992 Honda CRX vs. Trek 5200, Bianchi Giro, Trek 8000, Dean Ace3_rt_
Nov 25, 2003 11:48 AM
you decide. ;-)

oh and the bianchi has been upgraded to a mix of ultegra/105, and the Trek 8000 is full xtr. i won't even go into the love in the Trek 5200 & the Dean.

rt - love my honda though.
2003 Colnago C-40, 1991 Alfa Romeo Spider = tie (nm)Mariowannabe
Nov 25, 2003 11:56 AM
Do you have the 5 star campy wheels on the Spider? nmMarketing Dept
Nov 25, 2003 12:03 PM
Cromodora?DMoore
Nov 26, 2003 2:24 PM
I had a couple of Alfa's back in the 70's. The Campy wheels which were available then were multi-spoked "turbine" effect wheels. The five pointed star rims which became sort of a tradmark look for Alfa (also the Ferrari Daytona) were the Cromodora Daytona wheels. I had a set on my '78 Sprint Veloce. I've never seen a set of five-pointed star rims by Campagnolo, but that's not to say they don't exist.
I like your set up !! nmafrican
Nov 25, 2003 1:09 PM
re: Bike or Car, which is worth more?j-son
Nov 25, 2003 12:49 PM
Merckx Team SC and Steelman Manzanita ... 01 Nissan Xterra and 98 Nissan Sentra. The Merckx is probably worth more than the Sentra.

Car's a car to me. As long as it runs and is fairly comfortable it's fine with me. I choose to drive less car than I can afford so I can ride more bike than I deserve!

Although my wife has been talking about trading the Sentra for a Mini Cooper. She thinks our pugs would look wicked cool riding around town in a Mini.
Only cause my car is just two years old....biknben
Nov 25, 2003 12:56 PM
I replaced a Jetta with 200k miles on it. Any one of my bikes was worth more than that. Now, it will be a while before the bikes are worth more than the Golf.
Car and Harley are worth more than bikes.....Juanmoretime
Nov 25, 2003 12:59 PM
The Harley is worth more than my 2003 Accord V6 EX. My stable consists of a 1997 Litespeed Vortex, full 2003 record and a Santa Cruz Superlight disc with XTR. The wife made me trim back on some of my toys.
Explorer 98 vs Fond, Nago & litespeed... close call... nmafrican
Nov 25, 2003 1:06 PM
car > bike; drums > car+bike. nmTNSquared
Nov 25, 2003 1:15 PM
re: Bike or Car, which is worth more?PEDDLEFOOT
Nov 25, 2003 1:24 PM
In dollars the car but in attention ,care, and emotions the bikes are worth more hands down.
Tough choice for me!turbo6bar
Nov 25, 2003 1:59 PM
In January I bought a '78 Porsche 911SC. This car has character, soul, everything...

In a couple weeks, I'll be riding a new road bike with Interloc Scandium frameset, Campy Veloce components and other goodies.

Well, I am not going to put one above the other. They both make me happy, and collectively set me back less than the cost of a stripped 2004 Honda Civic. How's that for value? My philosophy is do not go in debt for luxuries. Too many Americans live on credit. :(

jurgen
'65 Merc SL wins over Waterford R-33, Giant, Kona & Airbornesitzpickel
Nov 25, 2003 5:22 PM
but the Waterford wins the annual mileage contest.
I picked the Mercedes because it can carry any one of those bikes in the trunk unlike most modern convertibles.
'02 Pinarello Opera, '04 Surly CX. v. '87 Honda CRX Sitmguy
Nov 25, 2003 5:51 PM
No contest! Although to be fair my wife does drive and '00 Audi A4 Avant 2.8. I normally commute on the Surly or other bikes. Honda is worth more to me as a second car then it's true market value. I also have a few more bikes in the garage. But I digress . . .
1965 Dodge Dart vs. Klein Quantum Race, Giant XTC, Classic TreksSenorPedro
Nov 25, 2003 6:04 PM
Well lets see, I got the car for $1800 with 38K on it, have put enough into it to bump my cost up to $3k. I have had offers for $6k.

My bikes on the other hand;

Klein Quantum Race - paid $1100 at my LBS, retailed at $2k.

Giant XTC SE1 - built it for $1400, probably about $2k retail.

'87 Trek 400 - paid $50 for it, put about $200 into it, retailed for about $600 originally.

'89 Trek 400 - paid $100 for bike, put who knows how much into it, currently serving fixie duty.

I'd say I am about even as far as investment goes. I wouldn't part with any of them though ;)
2003 Chevrolet Caviler LS, 2003 Specialized Allez, 2003 Giant XTlexington476
Nov 25, 2003 7:39 PM
I love this car, has the XM radio I
wanted (no more losing a station as
I drive all over the state going to
all these races). In addition, the
MTB and the car match! Both are
black :)! I will be getting a new
road bike in the spring :), that will
be the road bike I love, the current
Allez I just like. That is my car on
the left, my sister's Sunfire on the
right.
2003 Chevrolet Caviler LS, 2003 Specialized Allez, 2003 Giant XTlexington476
Nov 25, 2003 7:40 PM
Forgot, the car was way more then both bike put together. $15k for the car, 1,700 for the two bikes.
2003 Chevrolet Caviler LS, 2003 Specialized Allez, 2003 Giant XTlexington476
Nov 25, 2003 7:46 PM
Here was the picture I was looking for. Proof the car and mountain bike do match :)!

PS
The road bike is blue.
have a bike, therefore, don't need a car. nmhayaku
Nov 25, 2003 7:47 PM
Here's my old Range Rover.. which I sold b/c of low MPG.russw19
Nov 25, 2003 9:15 PM
But it has a pic with one of my mountain bikes... my Rocky Mountain Vertex TO.
and with the bike...russw19
Nov 25, 2003 9:16 PM
hey... that's my saddle!colker1
Nov 26, 2003 7:56 AM
it found a better bike to stay(he he he). currently on my pinarello..
$250. Chevy and a $700 Jamis -nm-tmotz
Nov 25, 2003 9:46 PM
Car is worth moremtpisgah1
Nov 26, 2003 9:39 AM
I bought a new Saab 93 around March, before that I had a '93 Pathfinder with 200k miles on it. Any one of my bikes was worth more than it. The bikes are worth more to me than the car in a nonmonitary way.

My bikes
Independent Fabrication / full DA
Eastern Woods Research
Ventana El Saltamontes

Wife's bikes
Giant TCR-Once edition
Ventana El Saltamontes
Merlin Mountain
Carz.... unfortunately...funknuggets
Nov 26, 2003 9:51 AM
2002 LOOK 381i + 1999 Fondriest Megalu + 1998 Lemond Reno + 1997 Mongoose Iboc Pro is less than 2000 Passat and Explorer. I guess this is good justification for getting another bike...right?

Chris
2002 Wilier Izoard vs 1987 VW Scirocco 16V (nm)davidxy
Nov 27, 2003 10:54 AM
re: Bike or Car, which is worth more?MasterBlaster
Nov 27, 2003 8:01 PM
2002 745Li and a 2003 Lemond Victoire. I like my bike more!