Nov 24, 2003 12:31 PM
|I was lusting after a Stage Race but now I can't afford one. It looks like all frames come with custom geometry but prices are up about $700.|
|re: steelman prices||wily in pacifica|
Nov 24, 2003 1:42 PM
I was looking at the EuroCross frame for about $1,100. Now all of his frames are priced at $1,975. I was going for the Steelman over a Sycip since the Steelman was a few hundred less. I guess that Sycip is looking like a deal now. As nice as his frames are, how many would be willing to pay $2K for a steel frame? What are the alternatives for $2K?
Just about anybody
Willy in Pacifica
|re: steelman prices:eeeeeeekkk!!||colker1|
Nov 24, 2003 1:42 PM
|independent fabrications, jeff lyon, vanilla, landshark...|
Nov 24, 2003 2:47 PM
|built with columbus max.|
Nov 24, 2003 2:20 PM
|No more SR 525? Maybe he has enough demand now that he can charge those prices. And I know rent in Redwood City has got to be high. Still, I wouldn't consider his frames now. I'd either spend a few hundred more for a Richard Sachs, or save a bundle and get a Strong or LS Classic on closeout or something... He's good, but there are too many other good tig steel builder out there.|
|as a steelman owner...||ChazWicked|
Nov 24, 2003 2:31 PM
|the bikes *are* beautiful and the welds are like nothing on this earth ... BUT... 2grand??? When strongframes can build something for half the cost and still have a really good custom steel frame ...hmmmm.
I totally love my Steelman Eurocross & I ride it on long road rides as well as dirt. But, if the bike were to vanish and I was forced to buy a new bike with my own $$$. I'd be looking at the other fine folks building up bikes. I have a SyCip mtn bike and it's quite nice. I've seen some of their road stuff in person and it *really* looks good.
A pretty weld and expert knowledge is worth a lot but I'd have to draw the line before $2000 on principle.
Nov 24, 2003 2:31 PM
|Last year they were $1600 for a frame and fork. Now they are $1600 frame only.
$1300 for the Tig welded model. Same steel, same custom.
|You might want to check our Marinoni||hudsonite|
Nov 24, 2003 2:32 PM
|If you are looking for a great steel bike, with custom geometry, you might want to look at Marinoni.qc.ca. They have been making custom frames for 27 years. Lot of choices.
The Marinoni team is about as Italian as you are going to get, but because they produce the bikes in Canada, the prices are unbeatable for the quality. They are sold throughout the US, Canada and other countires at select custom bike stores.
They make frames from Columbus tubing. They do Starship, Airplane, Zonal, Ultrafoco and Zona tubes. Also a lot of carbon in the mix these days. Check them out.
In some locations, Marinoni's have almost a cult following. You go out on a group ride and you will see tons of them. Some new, some twenty or more years old. They are popular because they make a very high quality Italian style bike at less than half of what you would pay if it was imported from italy.
These guys are always busy and never advertise. They don't have to as the customers are always coming back for more. The last I checked, the wait time was a two or three months for a custom frame.
Nov 24, 2003 2:34 PM
|i just checked his prices at the end of last week and the SR was at $1375 i believe...De Salvo cycles (www.desalvocycles.com) looks to be another promising maker to check out...$1075 for full Foco frameset|
|Another vote for DeSalvo||Mariowannabe|
Nov 25, 2003 12:08 PM
|Great guy, very talented, good deal.|
|Prices have not changed....||txcross|
Nov 24, 2003 2:46 PM
|I'm looking at the SR525 and just this minute checked out steelman's site. Prices are no different then they were over the summer
Are you looking at the kit prices further down the page?
here is the link http://www.steelmancycles.com/pricelist.html
|my mistake, it didn't hit refresh....||txcross|
Nov 24, 2003 2:48 PM
|should have bought one last week :(|
Nov 24, 2003 4:53 PM
|I would call that a shocking price increase. My wife and I each have a Steeman (she, an SR and me, a Manzanita). I think I paid $1150 for my Manzanita about a year and a half ago ... I wouldn't have gotten it for $2000. Steelman make great frames ... hope they don't price themselves out of the game.|
|Seven or Serotta||lyleseven|
Nov 24, 2003 5:33 PM
|Seven only charges 1495 for a custom steel. Steelman is going to have to really justify 2 grand...that's about as pricey as it gets for steel.|
|re: steelman prices||GregJ|
Nov 24, 2003 5:43 PM
|Looking at his pricing page, updated 11/24, it would appear that he is offering only custon frames for 1950.00. However, the links to the 525 frame are still up on the home page, and the standard geometry chart for the SR is still posted as well. My guess is that there is an omission on the website. I would contact him directly if you are interested.|
|SR525 looks to be discontinued...||Frank121|
Nov 24, 2003 7:02 PM
|according to the heading on the SR525 link:
"Please note that we have discontinued this model. We will keep this page up temporarily for informational purposes. The Stage Race model remains available in standard or custom geometry"
|Steelman's explanation for elimination of SR525||Frank121|
Nov 24, 2003 7:04 PM
|from his website:
If you are a new customer, thank you for finding us and taking the time to check us out. If you are a current or returning customer, thank you for your continued support. I believe that we have the best customers and friends in the business! It is with great pleasure and humility that I have the opportunity to share my craft with those that desire it.
I would like to announce some important changes in the way we offer our products:
With the goal of streamlining our business, providing better service, and remaining financially viable, we are moving to an all custom production and increasing our prices. We are eliminating three models: the SR 525, EC 525, and the CC. We used to sell lots of these, but times change and we seem to be devoting most of our production to custom builds. We have slowly come to the realization that, for a company our size, there is little economy in stocking an inventory of built frames. We have also been hit with astronomical increases in the cost of the various insurances we need to carry.
Our four remaining model designations will now be full custom, with most options price inclusive. Frame angles, tube lengths, and tubing selection are now customer specific to each SR, Eurocross, or Manzanita order. Our stock geometries will remain as a benchmark for reference. As usual, the Signature will cover just about anything you like. Also, for the first time in thirteen years, you can purchase a lugged Steelman. Prices are the same for all models.
I am confident that after exploring and experiencing our bikes, you will agree that they are among the finest available. I look forward to building the bike you desire.
|I'm a few years away from being...||zero85ZEN|
Nov 24, 2003 7:24 PM
|...in the market for a custom steel frameset. Steelman and Vanilla were the two at the top of my list. Vanilla just moved to number one by a long shot! WOW! 2K for a steel frameset? That really is a HUGE price jump.|
|wow -- I never thought Serottas would look like a bargain||tarwheel|
Nov 25, 2003 5:50 AM
|I've long thought that Steelman made the nicest looking TIG welded frames you could buy, with the exception of perhaps the Serotta Colorado III. Steelman used to have the edge on price, but not anymore. I can't believe they are charging $1950 for a frame -- WITHOUT a fork. Serotta has been doing this for a while, charging about $1500 for a C-III without a fork. I never thought a Serotta would look like a bargain, but it does compared to the new Steelman prices. ... Landshark, Anvil and Strong are looking better than ever. Just buy soon if you are considering a new frame because other builders might start following suit.|
|yes, other builders will probably also raise prices (nm)||geeker|
Nov 25, 2003 6:43 AM
|yes, other builders will probably also raise prices (nm)||bill105|
Nov 25, 2003 7:19 AM
|sounds like you need to look at burleys new steel frames.|
|hmmm..buy a colnago master light, de rosa neo primato?tommasini?||colker1|
Nov 25, 2003 7:31 AM
|lots of brands in gvh, maestro, totalcycling etc...
a bike is a bike. it's not a tool to make money, unless you are a pro but that's another game. every penny has to be justified when you are buying a bicycle and we can live without perfect welds.
road geometry in steelmans are about the standard by which other frames are made and 2 grand on a cyclocross frame? ON A STEEL HARDTAIL? that's poseur territory.
|Pegoretti Marcelo is looking good too. nm||Spunout|
Nov 25, 2003 8:41 AM
Nov 25, 2003 7:40 AM
|wow, looks like you're right. $1950 w/o a fork really is nuts. Well, all I can say is good luck. I'll certainly never buy one now.|
|Never thought SACHS would look like a bargain!! nm||Spunout|
Nov 25, 2003 8:22 AM
|Never thought SACHS would look like a bargain!! nm||wily in pacifica|
Nov 25, 2003 9:49 AM
|Not sure how much this Rivendell is but it reminded me of a Sachs. Saved the picture to drool over.|
|No reason to panic||Nessism|
Nov 25, 2003 8:30 AM
|No need to start a panic over raising prices. Steelman is just adjusting to supply and demand. He has built up a well-respected reputation over the years and is going to enjoy it now. He, apparently, is in a very small class of builders that can command premium prices.
For every Steelman or Sachs out there though, there are ten starving framesmiths working for peanuts. It's a very tough business to make viable. I think the main reason is because of the romance associated with a frame purchase. Most people are buying based on the reputation of the builder. So it's not the frame so much as the name on the frame.
At any rate, good for Steelman and any other builder that can get away with commanding sky high prices and live to tell about it. Even charging $2k a pop is not going to make him a rich man, it'll just give him a little breathing room for now. He's still at the mercy of the fickle nature of the public. Good luck to him.
|No reason to panic||gtx|
Nov 25, 2003 9:13 AM
|We're not going to see prices rise across the board simply because they can't--people aren't going to pay that kind of money for tig welded steel. As little as two years ago you could get a Steelman SR 525 frame and fork from GVH for $625. I've been very impressed with the frames of his that I've built up, but I can't see that Steelman has done anything to put him head and shoulders above Strong, Sycip, Soulcraft, etc., and unlike IF and Serotta he can't offer the kind of dealer support or custom drawn tubing (maybe IF doesn't do this but Serotta does and Ibis did). A Sachs is legendary and comes with a Joe Bell paint job, which I think run $500. But like you said, more power to him, and $2k per frame won't make him rich (especially as I mentioned before in Redwood City). It's natural for a framebuilder to raise prices as they develop a waiting list (Vanilla can't be far behind) and maybe he can do it. But I do think the Serotta Colorado III is about as good as it gets for custom tig welded steel, and pricing yourself above that ($500 above that!) seems risky.
One other thing, his one statement about the rising costs of insurance is cause for concern. Hope this doesn't start putting the little guys out of business. Maybe a lot of builders just don't carry this kind of insurance.
|No reason to panic||FTMD|
Nov 25, 2003 9:42 AM
|Not telling anyone how to run a business, but didn't the King Group just leave CA for a less expensive state? Couldn't that be a consideration for an operation like Steelman?|
|begin panicking now||bill105|
Nov 25, 2003 9:51 AM
|a burley wolf creek w/all carbor alpha q for and true temper ox platinum steel is only about $750 and its about 5.5 lbs total.|
|check out Kirk framesets||cw05|
Nov 25, 2003 10:07 AM
|If one is going to pay these prices, it seems that it would make more sense to invest in a frameset like a Kirk (www.kirkframeworks.com) who currently charges $1850 for a full custom, lugged work of art on par with any Sachs I've seen...|
|My pitch for Della Santa||waynebo|
Nov 25, 2003 2:58 PM
|I've got a frameset (dedacciai zero) on order from Roland Dellasanta. Other that Trek, what U.S. frame maker can claim to have built for a Tour de France winner? $1250 for single color. He may raise prices too soon so get while the getting is good. Oh, it's lugged too. Check out his work at campyonly.com in the retro section. He is also very knowledgeable and quite a talker. I can't wait.|| |