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Brake Upgrade(13 posts)

Brake Upgradecyclepath
Nov 24, 2003 12:04 PM
I am going to upgrade my old single pivot brakes to dual pivot and was wondering what i should go for, Shimano or Campy and which group should i use. Any help is appreciated.
If you don't have Campy levers...zero85ZEN
Nov 24, 2003 12:15 PM
...you won't want the campy calipers because they don't have a release mechanism on the caliper to widen it for tire clearance when removing the wheel. I've always thought that the Shimano design was better because you can use the little release mech to easily set the brake slightly wider in case you break a spoke and your wheel comes slightly out of true etc, etc. Ultegra is going to be the nicest choice at the best price.
But that's why the Campy design is betterMel Erickson
Nov 24, 2003 1:18 PM
The release on the brake/shift lever is easy to reach while riding, unlike the release located on the brake. Yes, Campy calipers don't work as well with non-Campy levers because of this feature but any brake will work well with Campy levers and you have your choice of release point.
But that's why the Campy design is bettercyclepath
Nov 24, 2003 1:23 PM
I have Shimano leavers but my brakes don't have a quick realease and it seems to work fine.
The Campy faithful are out in full force...zero85ZEN
Nov 24, 2003 6:45 PM
...to defend against my pro ShimaNO comment.

I happen to be an advocate of both ShimaNO and CampagNOlo. I ride both groups on my various bikes. Shimano is better at some things and Campy is better at others. In this instance I'm trying to let the poster of this question know the reasons for recommending Shimano calipers. Yes, there are aspects of the Campy lever design that are "better" because you can adjust the brake release from the lever. BUT you can't fine tune the amount of release like you can with Shimano's system. As for Campy's levers working with any calipers (a point made by a poster below) the reverse can be said that Shimano's calipers will work well with any levers.
That's an interesting commentMel Erickson
Nov 24, 2003 7:58 PM
because I've ridden Shimano for 20 years. I just feel the Campy lever design is better. I am also going to be riding both groups because I'm building up a bike with Chorus as we speak (so to speak) but I won't be using Campy brakes. Not because there's anything wrong with them but because I got a screaming deal on some very attractive Cannondale (yes Cannondale) calipers that go with the frame and fork just super.
The Campy design is better for true road racinghudsonite
Nov 25, 2003 5:55 AM
I ride both brands and think both have pros and cons. The campy brake release makes the most sense in a true road race.

Here is the scenario, you are in a race and hit a hole in the road, the back wheel goes out of true and the brake starts to rub, the Campy rider can release the brake from the hoods and keep going to the end of the race. Not something that can be done with the Shimano setup.

However, more likely than not, when I need to release my brakes, it is to remove my wheel. The Shimano release is right there where I am working, on the brakes. A more obvious location for what I do most often.

Maybe the best setup is Shimano brakes with Campy levers. The best of both worlds.
The Campy design is better for true road racingjimPz
Nov 25, 2003 7:03 AM
Except that every time you use the brakes, the relese closes them back to the normal position & you have to release them again. I do have Campy Ergo levers.

Jimbike
What year are your Ergo levers?hudsonite
Nov 25, 2003 9:21 AM
That is interesting, mine don't do that. Mine are the 2003 version. Maybe they changed them along the way?
Less of a problem than most people thinkKerry Irons
Nov 24, 2003 4:39 PM
I keep my brakes set so that I can easily remove a 23mm tire without opening the brakes. This doesn't result in any braking problems: no slow response or lack of braking power. I "never" use the release.
Wow, I prefer a much "tighter" brake setting.zero85ZEN
Nov 24, 2003 7:00 PM
Setting the calipers wide enough to fit a 23mm tire would feel really sloppy to me.
I actually like a wide setting...divve
Nov 25, 2003 3:40 AM
...haven't measure it but I think I got about 1.5-2mm clearance on each side of the pads. It allows for much more subtle feedback and you can keep the levers slightly applied in critical situations without actually braking. There's more then enough travel left to get full braking power if necessary.
I would love to have that much cable pull...TFerguson
Nov 25, 2003 11:36 AM
I have my levers set up sp that they are half way back to the bar when open to accommodate my small hands. With what little cable pull I have left, setting up brakes is a pain and the tire definitely will not come out without releasing.

TF