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stem police......(14 posts)

stem police......mollythedog
Nov 22, 2003 6:01 PM
Does this stack height look correct????
re: stem police......mollythedog
Nov 22, 2003 6:04 PM
sorry here is the photo
... track bike...Akirasho
Nov 22, 2003 6:26 PM
... the overall geometry of the frame probably favors a wide variety of positions on the bike... thus a shortish headtube... which can be compensated by with stem height... depending on the race...

Be the bike.
the difference iscollinsc
Nov 22, 2003 7:23 PM
That guy still has a pretty sizable drop. He may have spacer overload, but it isnt pushing his stem up his nose.
the difference iskoala
Nov 22, 2003 7:48 PM
That looks like a heck of a lot of seatpost for a level top tube. Size up?
Ha ha... you guys all crack me up!russw19
Nov 22, 2003 10:23 PM
Do any of you know who that is? That's Swiss rider Franco Marvulli. He's one of the top Six-Day riders in the world today. The picture in question shows him on his way to 5th in the points race on day 3 of the Ghent Six Day Races.

Here's some of his highlights in the Ghent Six...

5th on the 1st day points race.
4th in the 1 lap TT on day 1.
Finsihed just behind Marty Nothstein in the Madison on day 1.
Won the overall elimination on day 1.
3rd in the 500m TT on day 1.
2nd in the Midnight Sprint day 1.
4th in the Supersprint on day 1.

Day 2.
Won the points race.
2nd Team Elimination
6th Flying Lap TT.
Won Elimination race again.
5th 500m TT.
2nd Midnight Sprint
Won Madison.

Day 3.
5th Points Race.
2nd Team Elimination.
4th in 2nd Points Race.
2nd in 2nd Team Elimination.
2nd 500m TT (behind Marty Nothstein)
2nd Midnight Sprint.

He's currently in 6th overall in the Ghent Six.

Look at the guy. Look at his legs and look at his form... I have some serious doubts that there is anyone on this board that can outride that guy and yet you guys are criticising his form???? I think if that guy is that fast and had made it that far in his career, he may know a little more than you and I about how to set up a bike to race on the track. This is like trying to criticise Jan Ullrich for his TT form and position in this year's Tour.

I am not trying to insult anyone here, but I am willing to bet that guy would whoop any regular on this board's butt in a race. I know it's easy to talk trash on the net, as no one has to back what they say, but there should be some sort of line people don't cross. I would never go so far as to say I can throw a slider better than Dennis Eckersley, even if that side arm motion of his did look all goofy. There is a line that shouldn't be crossed... talking smack about one of the best Six Day Racers in the world today is one of them.

But that's just my opinon on this. And while I am at it, looking at that guy's position, I'd say it looks pretty good. For a big guy, he's pretty low and has a flat back, but his knees aren't in his chest. Looks like he's got good position to me.

Ha ha... you guys all crack me up!koala
Nov 23, 2003 4:45 AM
Youre right, he looks like an animal, but that is a very small frame for a man that big...
Ha ha... you guys all crack me up!koala
Nov 23, 2003 4:55 AM
Actually, it makes sense if he is really big and that powerful. He needs to be on the smallest possible frame. Look at the guy behind him. This level of competition and the guy behind him has way less post exposed, that was all I tried to say. The size up comment was tongue in cheek.
Ha ha... you guys all crack me up!russw19
Nov 23, 2003 12:14 PM
My comments weren't directed at anyone specific. I just think there should be a line people don't cross. If you don't know for a fact that you are faster than the person you are talking smack about, then keep quite about it.

When I started racing, I never had any competition in my local races (not a lot of kids my age were racing then...) so I thought I was bad ass. Then I went to Belgium and got my butt whooped, and whooped bad! The thing about it was I got over there and ran my mouth about some skinny short kid who didn't look like much. I was talking about how easy it was gonna be to pay my rent when I was racing chumps like that. Well, I finished a few races DFL and ran home with my tail between my legs. Served me right too! That little skinny kid was swiss rider Niki Abersold when he was just starting racing in 1991. He went on to win the Swiss Road Championships in 1998 and has finished 5th and 6th in the World's Road Race too. But when the kid was like 19 he didn't look like much off the bike. And what cracks me up is that people are talking smack about a guy who does look like much on the bike.

Just a silly little story from my younger days and a lesson I learned the hard way. But it's a funny story still!

A more recent story you might likeTig
Nov 23, 2003 6:50 PM
On a fast group ride a few weeks ago there was a guy on an older Specialized bike that looked a bit dangerous at first sight. Missing bar tape, an older helmet and shoes, cheap shorts, cheap tires, etc. I noticed that after things were going fast for a while and many riders dropped, he was still with us and making solid pulls into the head wind. He hung in there even when the traditional sprint blew apart other seasoned riders on flashy $4000+ bikes. I've seen him out before and remembered he didn't have much extra money for new parts, etc. One guy known for his big mouth and very pricy bikes was talking smack on the rider. Later, when a top in the state expert MTB racer attacked hard up a steep climb, who comes along, passes us and catches the racer? Yep, the guy in the old Specialized! THIS is what I love to see!!! Oh, Mr. Bigmouth was dropped even befor the climb.

While I'm at it... A fellow team rider who doesn't race much anymore (due to residual effects of chronic fatigue syndrome) decided to show up to this year's state pro 1,2 road race (his second race of the year) in September. He has an old steel Pinarello, doesn't shave his legs anymore, is about 45 years old, and wore a Camelbak due to not having any support. He managed to get into the winning break, and even though getting dropped just before the finish, managed a respectable 12th place. I can only imagine the initial thoughts the young racers who didn't know him from the past had, as well as the shock to find out he did so well. Never judge a book by it's cover...
Ha ha... you guys all crack me up!pasta4breakfast
Nov 23, 2003 7:53 PM
Thanks for all the info, Russ, now we all know a bit more about Franco Marvulli. But I dont see anyone talking smack? The question was more about the bike than the rider. The question was simply "does the amount of stem spacers seem appropriate"? Not "who is this guy?" Not "what has he won?" Not" does his form look OK?" Not "who on this board can outsprint him?"

Obviously his set-up is working for him but, isn't there a maximum spacer stack height that is considered "unsafe" or "unstable"? That's what I'd be more interested to know.
That may be, but there looks to be too many spacers.MShaw
Nov 24, 2003 4:39 PM
Pro or not, it looks funny. Hence the initial question.

He probably rides the same bike in the Pursuit with aero bars set much lower...

Mmmm, BT...

re: stem police......amflyer
Nov 23, 2003 3:01 PM
Looks to me like there really isn't a seatpost, only an extension of the seat tube, which makes the bike custom, does it not?

I may be way off, but I bet he wants it this way.
re: stem police......Woof the dog
Nov 23, 2003 4:14 PM