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Ahhh, gotta love CDN distributors....(11 posts)

Ahhh, gotta love CDN distributors....SS_MB-7
Nov 21, 2003 8:50 AM
I'm in the market for a Power Tap Pro hub or wheel. I've been surfing the net trying to find info on the product, pricing, etc. MSRP in the US is $899US for the hub and $999US for the hub built-up with a Mavic Open Pro rim. That is about $1188CDN and $1320CDN, respectively.

I called Graber to get the name of the CDN distributor....it's OGC.

I called OGC to get the MSRP: $1730CDN and $1990CDN for the hub and hub/wheel, respectively!!

As you can see, that is a substantial difference! I love to support my local bike shop, but $540CDN and $670CDN, respectively, is a large chunk-of-change.

Everyone who touches the product marks it up 100%. Hard for a local bike shop to compete...especially with our strengthening CDN dollar.

Ride Hard,
Mike B.
http://www.one-speed.com
try $240 for a Chorus cassette at my LBS....Spunout
Nov 21, 2003 9:52 AM
Marinoni and select importers have the industry by the balls. LaBicicletta imports on their own, that is why they are so much cheaper.

Hard to justify shopping at an LBS, but I try first, all the time.
Good reason to make totalcycling your Internet Bike Storehudsonite
Nov 21, 2003 11:07 AM
I hear you. Sometimes I just shake my head at some of the prices that are charged in Canada. Not always, but there are some products that are way overpriced.

For European products I shop at totalcycling.com. That same Chorus seat post is less about $100CDN delivered. I have ordered on a Wednesday and had product on the bike by Friday.

Products from Campagnolo, Look, Conti, Deda are so much cheaper in the UK than here. I went to a local bike store to buy a tire this week. They wanted $169 for a conti comp tubular. I purchased the same tire for $75CDN delivered.

But other products are cheaper in Canada. It all comes done to the distributor. Some are better than others and some are really bad. I have found that products distributed by OGC and Lambert cycle tend to be very competitive. But products from KMS are some of the most expensive. The few products that I know came from Marinoni were priced reasonably. They also carry a lot of hard to find products as well.

The Canadian LBS is the loser in all of this. They get hit by higher prices and lost sales. But if you are looking for good prices on European goods, we do have choices and my IBS (Internet Bike Store) of choice these days is TotalCycling.
Good reason to make totalcycling your Internet Bike StoreMasterTi
Nov 21, 2003 2:26 PM
Dear Hudsonite:
Tell us fellow Canucks about your experiences with Total Cycling. Aren't the shipping fees very high? How about duties and taxes?
Thanks.
MasterTi
Here you gohudsonite
Nov 22, 2003 5:40 AM
Ordered a complete bike. Shipping cost about $40 for everything. Order was split into frame and parts. Everything shipped parcel force and delivered by purolator.

Look 381 paid $1900CDN, Canadian dealer price on same bike $2700. Retail is over $4000, but you can get it for about $3900. Duties were 5% plus GST. Net savings(Shipping, taxes, etc, about $2200CDN). Delivery time 1 week, with 4 days in customs.

Campy Triple group with hubs, deda newton bar and stem, SLR XP saddle, itm seat post and bar tape. Saved over 55% from Canadian list price. Shipped on a Wednesday, delivered on the Monday. No duties, no GST charged. Still do not understand why there was no GST, but I am not going to argue.

I had a problem with one of the parts from Campy, called TC on a Wednesday and had a replacement part on the Friday. Now that is great customer service!

Just as a reference, ordered some rims from local LBS. They arrived days after the stuff from the UK.

So, total shpping was under $40CDN. Taxes were way less than I would have paid locally and total duties, which I was expecting was under $100. Total savings all taxes and shipping, over $3500.

Also, full warranty on everything. 5 years on the frame plus the regular 3 years from campy. The only gotcha, is if the frame breaks, you have to send it back to Europe, which would cost about $40CDN. Not a real big issue, considering how often frames brake.

The customer service from TC was excellent. Parts were all in the original boxes. No grey market stuff. Very good people to deal with.

Best values in cycling for Canadians I would say. Easier than ordering from the US as these guys target the international market place and or more than pleased to ship here. Declaration paperwork was done properly and accurately, which made customs easier.

Buy from them, you will not be disappointed. Only suggestion is to call first and talk to them. They have more product and sometimes better prices over the phone than on the web. My phone bill charges .20 a minute.

Not bad eh...
re: Normally OGC is not too bad.hudsonite
Nov 21, 2003 10:22 AM
OGC (outdoor gear canada) is normally not too bad. Mavic rims for example are less expensive in Canada then from US suppliers. OGC is the Mavic distributor in Canada.

The other thing to note is that most good bike shops in Canada will drop 20% off any item. The margin on this stuff is 40%. If your local shop tries to sell you at MSRP, then they are charging you way too much.

In the case of items produced by US companies and sold in Canada by a distributor, the distributor will add a markup of 20 to 30 points. If it is sold in Canada by the US company, the effective price will be about the same or lower (Trek's for example).

The other anomoly right now is that the CDN$ has risen very rapidly in the last 6 months against the US$. If prices were set at the begining of the year, it was based upon the lower CDN$. This means that the selling price will be at least 20% more than it should be.

Some things are cheaper in Canada than the US, some are more expensive. In the spirit of free trade, buy it where it is cheaper!
Maybe part of that is import duties????huez
Nov 21, 2003 12:14 PM
I know in Europe they pay heavily to import stuff from the US.
Canadian dutieshudsonite
Nov 21, 2003 2:11 PM
Here are the canadian duty tariff's for future reference.

Items made in the US have no duties coming into canada.

Bicycle parts(drive train, saddles, brakes) have no duties coming into canada.

Bicycle frames have a 5% duty coming into canada from most countries. (exception is the US as with everything else)

Forks and tubing have no duties.

Complete Bicycles - US no duty.
European - 8.5%
Taiwan/China - 13%

Bicycle Wheels - US-none, Europe 3%, Asia 6.5%

Bicycle Wheel parts (spokes, rims, hubs) no duty.

Basically, anything imported (except from the US) that is made in Canada has duties. Anything that canada does not make has no duties. Bikes coming in from Asia have large duties, do to dumping by certain countries in the past.
textiles: 18% so watch those Euro shops...Spunout
Nov 22, 2003 4:04 AM
even shoes I have had labelled as 'equipment' in order to escape the clothing duty. All in all, I find US stores to be a bit better. No duty on anything from the US, as duty is paid upon entering the NA free trade zone and any inter-trade thereafter is free of duty.
You are right, never a good idea to buy clothes (nm)hudsonite
Nov 22, 2003 5:41 AM
Wow...Great threadChainstay
Nov 22, 2003 1:29 PM
You guys just saved me a lot of money. It's good to know where to go first to get what stuff. Thanks