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s-works vs maillot jaune(11 posts)

s-works vs maillot jauneblatman
Nov 12, 2003 3:59 PM
hello, im looking to get a new bike and im thinking of the new lemond maillot jaune which is half carbon and half steel, vs the new e-5 specialized s works. does anyone have any experience with the two. these will be used for everything...racing and centuries. thanks
Blatman
What year 2003 or 2004Scot_Gore
Nov 12, 2003 4:17 PM
Are you looking at a Tarmac ?

No one has any real experience on a Tarmac yet. There's a couple of insiders who've ridden one lurking around this board but nobody's got more that 10 miles on this bike.

I've lusted, but that's as much as I know.

good luck.

Scot
Has to be 04 for the models listed..russw19
Nov 12, 2003 7:52 PM
The Tarmac is new to 04 and the Lemond steel/ti bikes are also new to 04.

Russ
re: s-works vs maillot jauneblatman
Nov 13, 2003 12:09 AM
it is the aluminum E-5 frame. all the components are carbon though. the tarmac may be a little out of range
Steel: Get the MJ in the all-steel classic version.....Spunout
Nov 13, 2003 5:04 AM
You want to do centuries and everything. You will not appreciate an S-works in the last half of a century, methinks.

I ride a Zurich in 853 and cannot tell if a Merckx Al is any stiffer. The OCLV top end may add chi-chi factor, IMHO will take away from the lively steel ride.
Steel: Get the MJ in the all-steel classic version.....John445
Nov 13, 2003 7:24 AM
I ride an Sworks E5 and am comfortable for both 50 and 100 mile rides. The last few miles of century, for me, hurts and it doesn't matter what bike I'm riding. :-)

John
Me too!MShaw
Nov 13, 2003 12:21 PM
I've ridden AL bikes, Steel bikes, and Ti bikes for 4+ hour rides. Once you get past a certain point, it just aches no matter what you're riding.

I did 4+ hours Tuesday (playing hooky) on my S-Works. No problem.

Rode it again this AM another 2.40. (Playing hooky again, hope the boss doesn't fire me! I'm self-employed before y'all start worrying.)

Mike
I've riden the new MJ here's what I noticedrussw19
Nov 13, 2003 1:35 PM
I did notice that the tail whip feeling of the 853 frame was gone with the new steel/carbon frame. Keep in mind I am a big guy and can flex the heck out of steel frames, and yes even 853 frames. I love super stiff frames from a non-flex standpoint, but I do understand people's concerns over them being harsh. That said, I think anyone who wouldn't feel a normal 853 or Columbus SLX type steel frame to be harsh won't think the new Lemonds will be harsh either. If you are used to lighter and more flexible steel frames like a Columbus SL or Aelle frame, then 853 in itself will seem harsh and so will the new MJ. If you like the 853 frame's feel, you will most likely still like the new MJ as well. It just lightens the bike up (slightly) and takes a little side to side flex from the rear wheel. I noticed it when I got out of the saddle and sprinted up some small hills most... other than that, it really just rides like the older MJs. But ride them and see for yourself, don't take my word for it.

But I wouldn't say it felt any less lively than the full 853 bikes.. just stiffer in the rear triangle.

Russ
I put a few miles on the carb/steel and carb/ti LMandy02
Nov 13, 2003 6:23 AM
I have done about 25 miles on each of the lemonds and both are really nice bikes if they fit you. My only problem with them was I just didn't fit them well. If you can seperate ride from feel and you like the way steel rides it is your perfect bike.
re: s-works vs maillot jauneHeron Todd
Nov 13, 2003 9:14 AM
I think that you need to ride them. The E5 S-Works has a modern American race geometry: saddle high, bars low, and wheelbase short. The Lemond will have the classic, uh, Lemond geometry. The Tarmac differs quite a bit, however. It has a lower BB and taller head tube for a more upright position. You really need to try them out first.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
LaSalle, IL 815-223-1776
http://www.heronbicycles.com
re: s-works vs maillot jauneHeron Todd
Nov 13, 2003 9:15 AM
Er, duh. I meant the Roubaix, not the Tarmac. The Tarmac geometry is essentially the same as the E5.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
LaSalle, IL 815-223-1776
http://www.heronbicycles.com