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why so many Colnago owners are posers?(72 posts)

why so many Colnago owners are posers?cyclopathic
Nov 12, 2003 5:09 AM
not intended to offend anyone /C-40, Doug, others my apologies/, I just happen to run into quite a few Colnago owners who were complete d!ckheads, even more lately.

don't take me wrong, Colnago builds great bikes; a bit overpriced in US and quality isn't always top notch. I have good friends who ride 'em, tested one and didn't like fit. could get one for good price overseas.

It just seems it became the classic "rich poser" bike the brand name seems to attract specifically personality type not always enjoyable to deal with. You know the one who asks: "which Lexus/Mercedes/bimmer should I buy" instead "which luxury car"
jealous???C-40
Nov 12, 2003 5:36 AM
You'll find posers riding all brands that support a pro team. Surely you've seen guys on Trek OCLV's with the complete US Postal outfit or team replica C'dales with a Saeco jersey.

Sounds like you're jealous to me. Compared to other sports, spending 4-5K on a bike is peanuts. You don't have to be rich to own a C-40.

I probably meet your standard for a poser. I have a Rabobank C-40 and two styles of Rabobank jerseys (but no team shorts). At 50 years old, I doubt anyone will mistake me for a member of the team. I just think of it as supporting cycling, no different than someone wearing a pro football jersey.

I also enjoy riding my $800 bargain Fondriest MDC. Darn nice bike for the price. Of course it does have a Campy Record/Cchorus/FSA parts mix and Ksyriums, so maybe it's too snooty also.

The guys that I consistently find to be a$$holes are the shaved leg crowd, regardless of what they ride. Small groups of these guys are usually so serious that they won't even speak if you latch onto their group. Perhaps they're embarassed when a 50 year old can keep up.
shaved leg guys.....Rusty Coggs
Nov 12, 2003 6:01 AM
Kills em worse when a when a 60+ fart can keep up. Sometimes on the Colnago,but often on the retro beater. But then I shave too! :O :)
What really kills them is a 50+ fart dropping thembimini
Nov 12, 2003 10:25 AM
while riding an old beater with a luggage rack and 50 pounds of gear.

I rode RAGBRAI this year on my beater and packed all my gear with me so I did not have to hassle with all the lines. Just show up at the campground on the bike, and pitch the tent anywhere you liked.

I went a couple of days without being passed. Rode in a lot of paceline with full load. I did keep to the rear unless it was a friendly group and would then take my turns. One group gave me a lot of Sh*t and one guy tryed to force me out, but I held my line. Then he starts yelling at me why I would not move. Said hell with you guys, pulled off the front and dropped em. Stayed out in front of them for to the next rest stop (about 5 miles) where I did have to stop and catch my breath.
no you don't meet the standardcyclopathic
Nov 12, 2003 7:17 AM
you are not d!ckhead sorry 8-P

Agree on postal wanna bees, however there's a big difference: Posties are usually very unsecure, and they don't know much. So if LBS sells Treks and KHS, they'd know KHS is Huffy but if you ride Fuji they won't know were to put it in food chain. Besides, Trek sells all kind of bikes, from $200 hybrids to 5900.

"Shave leg" guys can be assy sometimes, agree. Keep in mind their respect hierarchy is based on fitness, so if you take them to the hill and push them hard enough, they're your friends.

And no, there's nothing wrong with Rabobank C-40 and two styles of Rabobank jerseys /or buying Playboy for articles as the mater of fact/ Some things are too beautiful to pass on :)
geeshThe Human G-Nome
Nov 12, 2003 9:19 AM
The guys that I consistently find to be a$$holes are the shaved leg crowd, regardless of what they ride. Small groups of these guys are usually so serious that they won't even speak if you latch onto their group. >>>>>

I was all over supporting every step of your argument and then you have to go and come up with this drivel and ruin it all. you take something to task for making a gereralization and then turn around and do the same thing yourself.
read more carefully....C-40
Nov 12, 2003 9:38 AM
Just reporting my personal experience. Haven't met a group of local "real racers" (supported by local shop) that would give you the time of day.

Never said they are all that way, just all the groups that I've run into.
try to be more objectivegtx
Nov 12, 2003 9:34 AM
Judging by your comments about "the shaved leg crowd" I'm going to assume you have never shaved your legs, and that therefore you have never raced. If you have never raced you probably aren't used to riding in a very tight group of riders at high speed (quite a bit different from even fast group rides). What are these shaved legged dudes seeing when you "latch on"--a 50 year old guy whith hairy legs riding a Record equiped C40 with a tripple. All they see is the bike, and your body language (whatever that is) and your form (whatever that is). How relaxed are you on the bike? When you "latch on" have you just shifted a few gears and are riding at a higher level of intensity in the drops with the bars in a death grip? Having spent 15+ years in the "shaved leg crowd" I can tell you that you become a little leery of guys who are always trying to "latch on" as you and your friends spin your way out to the more difficualt part of your ride. These guys can often be squirrely, and are OTB at the first hill anyway. I think it's funny that you would think anyone who rides 200-400 miles a week and races might be jealous of you or your bike. And it doesn't necessarily make them @ssholes if they don't smile and talk to every guy they pass on the road. And the fact that you find them to be "consistently" @ssholes says a lot--ever think it might be you? I stopped shaving my legs two years ago and am lucky to ride twice on the weekends. In this time I haven't encountered any of this kind of "@sshole" behavior from the shaved leg racer set.
try to be more objectivecyclopathic
Nov 12, 2003 10:26 AM
I believe he had refered to "my d!ck is longer" racer wannabe attitude; the kind who wouldn't talk on rest stops.

agree on handling remarks very stressful to ride with someone unpredictable and doesn't hold line.
I see all typesTig
Nov 12, 2003 6:33 AM
Sure, every week I see several "look-at-me-I've-got-a-Colnago" riders you describe, as well as plenty of decent, or at least powerful/fast Colnago riders. I could apply this toward many owners of bikes such as Litespeed, Merckx, Trek, Serotta, Cannondale, blah, blah, blah. As a carbon level dealer of Colnago's, we sell them to a full range of people from all (OK, most) walks of life.

There are currently 3 Colnago riders on my team. One has a magnificent old Ti model with the twin down tubes. He likes to race track 1,2 and masters, but sure isn't a poser. A new teammate has a Chic, which is one of the cheaper Colnago's. He has won almost 10 races this year and has cat'ed up to 4, and with his incredible sprint, I'm sure he'll be a 3 next Fall. He is a very kind black guy from Caribbean island, but not someone who would fit the so called standard image of a Colnago owner. Any person who can out-race others who own higher end gear gets my full respect. The last guy just bought a CT1 frame and is building it up. I doubt he'll change into a poser anytime soon! I agree with what you've seen, but I'm happy to report that many Colnago riders are nothing like that. My next frame might even be a 'Nago!
Why are people who don't own Colnagos so touchy?terry b
Nov 12, 2003 6:34 AM
Not intended to offend anyone - nearly the entire RBR commmunity - others my apologies, I just happen to run into quite a few people who don't own Colnagos who are complete d!ckheads, even more lately.

don't take me wrong, every other mfgr builds great bikes; generally overpriced in US (I mean $6000 for a Cannondale?)and quality isn't always top notch. I have good friends who ride Treks, Cannies, Litespeeds, Specialized, etc, tested them and didn't like the fit. could get one for good price from my LBS.

It just seems they've become the classic "proletariat poser" bikes. The brand names seem to attract specific personality types that are not always enjoyable to deal with. You know the one who asks, "why would you spend so much when you could get a perfectly good bike for $1000?" instead "I've earned it, why shouldn't I have what I want without a bunch of cheap people complaining about me?"
Marketing?dzrider
Nov 12, 2003 6:51 AM
Colnago certainly doesn't have a monopoly on poseurs and most Colnago owners I see are out riding group rides at a pretty good clip which fails the first question on my poseur test. What I think has happened is that their marketing and paint schemes have made Colnagos the cool bike to own. When a new rider with lots of cash looks for the hottest bike they find Colnago and buy it.
maybe you assume too much.T-Doc
Nov 12, 2003 6:59 AM
It seems to me that many riders just assume this about Colnago riders. I get a lot of attitude from riders when riding my MXL even though I am minding my own business. Just human nature I guess.
Its all in your head....lyleseven
Nov 12, 2003 7:11 AM
I don't think the brand of bike makes much difference at all except in your head. There are so many good bikes out there today that a Colnago is only one of many. I know bikers with Colnagos that have a perfectly good attitude and some that would be a-holes no matter what brand they rode. In our club, there are a lot of high end brands, but they all eat humble pie when a guy on a Performance $800 bike blows them away, especially on the hills. But this guy could do it with a Huffy....
It's Funny.T-Doc
Nov 12, 2003 7:19 AM
It seems the best cyclists almost always ride the worst bikes...again proving "its not about the bike"...
You had to know you'd catch crap for thisCrankist
Nov 12, 2003 7:07 AM
post, regardless of that sort of pre-apology. It's a question that can't be answered without a general insult to owners.
My guess is that you've just had a run with several butthead poseur-types on Nags. It happens. I suggest you just leave it at that.
But note: you'll never see one on a De Rosa [insert smiley].
M.
I saw you on that DeRosa last Saturdayterry b
Nov 12, 2003 7:17 AM
Too "special" to even say "hello." But then we were going in opposite directions at a fairly strong clip just north of the Montano bridge. I was riding my lowly Bianchi - no wonder you made believe I didn't exist. Can't say that I blame you.
maybe b/c you had your 'nago jersey on? nmcyclopathic
Nov 12, 2003 7:24 AM
actually I was wearing my Bianchi jersey - (really dumb) nmterry b
Nov 12, 2003 7:57 AM
actually I was wearing my Bianchi jersey ...Crankist
Nov 12, 2003 10:37 AM
I recall now. For a moment I thought it was you, but damn I wasn't aware you had a Bianchi so I kept rolling. I should have known.
Oh?terry b
Nov 12, 2003 10:53 AM
Yea, you threw me with the lack of your New Mexico jersey. Actually, I think I saw you on the way down too. I did take in a good eyeful of the DeRosa Blue though - very, very nice.

Riding my Calfee this coming weekend (pre-El Tour tuneup,) keep your eyes peeled.
Oh!Crankist
Nov 12, 2003 11:20 AM
OK. This is the info I need as I usually scope the bike first, scanning for 'Nag poseurs to avoid (jk).
Oh!terry b
Nov 12, 2003 11:30 AM
well you've nailed me on that count at least once or twice.
re: Most are fine, except ...hudsonite
Nov 12, 2003 7:07 AM
Most owners of Colnago's are just regular cyclists. They just like the brand. Colnago's make great bikes.

But there is a very, very small group of people that buy Colnago c-40 (now c-50) because they are expensive. You know the type, they walk into the most expensive bicycle store in town and say they want to take up cycling and want the very best. The C-40/Record is the most expensive, and that is what they buy.

I have seen one guy on a c-40 that could not even shift the gears. All show and no-go.

But you see this type of behavor in all sports. In the winter I alpine ski. Go to big resort and you will see all kinds of people on the most expensive gear that they cannot even use. It is pretty funny.

Some people equate expensive with the best. Which is pretty stupid really. The best and the most expensive do not really correlate. What is best for a middle aged cyclist, that is 60# overweight is probably not the best for a young racer. But this is the reality of our society, people equate expensive with being the best. It may be the best for something, just not the best for you.

Let the posers be. Cycling is about riding. No one really cares what you are on when you are moving fast up a hill. Let the posers hang around the coffee shop, because you are not likely to see them on the top of a mountain pass.

The cycling community needs as many people as possible. If a rich person wants to spend the money to make the LBS a little richer, it helps the cycling community survive and prosper.

Who knows, maybe the rich posers will start buying the Dogma Ego and leave the Colnago riders to cyclists that just want a great ride.
to improve!!!DougSloan
Nov 12, 2003 7:10 AM
Buy one, and every yahoo you encounter feels he must challenge you to prove that you are not worthy of the bike, especially if it is a full Record C40. I found that I rather enjoyed this, as it pushed me to go faster. Keeps it interesting, especially in those last few miles of a double century. Oh, wait, though, people you encounter in the last few miles of a double century are usually very nice people who appreciate that we are all out doing something extraordinary, no matter what bike we ride. All anyone actually ever said to me was "nice bike."

Doug
Nobody poses for 200 miles! nmdzrider
Nov 12, 2003 10:31 AM
I wish I could afford to be a poser :-) (nm)PEDDLEFOOT
Nov 12, 2003 7:12 AM
Yeah- the best part is...T-Doc
Nov 12, 2003 7:22 AM
you look really good when you get dropped...
Guess there are two types of posers you guys are talking about.elviento
Nov 12, 2003 7:43 AM
1. People with expensive bikes but are slow or don't know much about riding;

2. People who are simply jerks and think they are hotshots being on their Colnagos, whether they are fast riders or not.

Type 1 actually could be nice people, except they have a bigger budget for this sport. I am also tempted to think "that guy has a $4000 bike but doesn't even know how to use clipless pedals", but on second thought there really isn't anything wrong with that. Afterall it's not up to me to decide how he should spend his money.

Type 2 are worse even if they know what they are doing, but they have that I-am-better-than-you and get-the-F-out-of-my-way attitude.
thnx, you nail it... Type 2 only nmcyclopathic
Nov 12, 2003 7:58 AM
No offense, but doesn't it take one to know one? (or care?) nmhrv
Nov 12, 2003 7:49 AM
re: why so many Colnago owners are posers?03Vortex
Nov 12, 2003 7:59 AM
It doesn't have anything to do with the bike ridden. It is the rider and person-period.
bull$hitColnagoFE
Nov 12, 2003 8:02 AM
There are posers everywhere. Colnagos may be expensive, but they are great bikes. Ride what you like and stop worrying about what other ride.
Because we can't afford Ferraris .....Mariowannabe
Nov 12, 2003 8:14 AM
so we have to ride stinkin' Italian bicycles, instead. And why do I drink Chianti Classico and '97 Borolos? 'cause I can't afford good French wine!!!
Define poser please.mtbmon
Nov 12, 2003 8:23 AM
I don't own a Colnago either so this isn't a biased question. I think I know what you mean but think about it. What, exactly, is a poser? Is it someone who owns an expensive rig but doesn't race? Doesn't ride much? Doesn't ride at all?

Maybe I'm a simpleton but if you love what you are doing on two wheels and can afford to buy high zoot stuff, that's just a choice, it doesn't make you a poser. Also, d!ckhead does not = poser. True, some "posers" might fit that description but I know plenty of non posers who are that way as well.

I guess my point is that you can't really generalize about a person and their love of the sport (or lack of) based on equipment. Pompous, arrogant, rude might be adjectives to use for those "d!ckheads you describe but poser is a bit too broad unless there are specifics. That said, I again ask, what, exactly, is a poser?

Go ride, have some fun, and let others worry about their own personality issues. Life's ride is way too short to let one second of it get wasted on such trivia.

Peace, light, and tailwinds,
Scott
Define poser please.T-Doc
Nov 12, 2003 8:39 AM
I don't know exactly what a poser is either, but for purpose of this discussion, my assumption it that the original poster was referring to someone who believes that the bike makes the rider..."I gotta hot bike, so that makes me a player" type of attitude. I believe most riders of expensive bikes just are not like this...at least the ones I ride with. Many of my riding buddies give us Colnago guys a bit of a ribbing before the ride, but once the ride starts, what you ride is not an issue, its more about the rider.
well said!mtbmon
Nov 12, 2003 8:50 AM
attitudes get deflated very quickly on the road. As soon as the guy one the "cheap" bike puts a hurt the group, it becomes pretty clear who means biz. Still, having an expensive ride doesn't mean you need to be fast. I think you said it best (paraphrasing) define yourself by yourself, not by things you own.

Now soccer moms in H2's, that's a different story!
not exactlycyclopathic
Nov 12, 2003 8:59 AM
more like poser = jerk. I guess question needs to be restated: Why does Colnago brand seem to attract jerks of cycling more then any other brand?
I don't think they do...T-Doc
Nov 12, 2003 9:12 AM
It is obviously dependent on each person's individual experience and locale, but where I live, so many people ride Colnagos that nobody really gives them a second look. I've gotten more attitude from guys riding Specialized (zebra paint job no less) and Cannondale, than I have from Colnago, Serotta, Seven owners.
I can only speak for myself, not for all jerks.djg
Nov 13, 2003 7:50 AM
I bought a Colnago to join a special society of jerks, being a jerk myself. I wanted to hang with like minded (if narrow minded) and equally mean-spirited people. You know, to belong.

Everybody on a Cannondale just seems so darn nice that, frankly, it gives me the creeps.
Your reply is the Best Here. .davidxy
Nov 12, 2003 2:34 PM
I don't get all this stupid "poser" stuff. I have a Wilier Izoard which costs about the same as a C40 (totalcycling.com). .I make plenty enough to buy ANY bike out there. I don't race (although I train as if I'm planning to), although many guys who I've ridden with who do, say I should. I feel it would make cycling a chore. I don't wear team clothes, and I don't look down on ANYONE riding a road bike, weather it's an "expensive" one or not. I have an "expensive" bike because I like nice stuff, and I CAN AFFORD IT. We have more in common with most any guy/girl we see while out on ride, than with most people we encounter in day to day life. Why hassle them. . .We have people in automobiles to deal with.
This is hilarious...funknuggets
Nov 12, 2003 9:04 AM
I think it takes all types. I think all groups have their "icon" breed of bikes, and early last summer, I found a pack of 6-7 Litespeedophyles in central missouri. Now, Im not gonna dog on the bike, because, generally they seem to be pretty nice bikes... overpriced (much like you state the Colnagos are), but nice bikes nonetheless. I would swear that they freaking looked down upon and consistenly and repeatedly tried to crack down on me (on my LOOK 381) and another guy on a Merlin Ti... it didnt work and guess what, Merlin guy and me ended up dropping them, but the whole time they were talking about Litespeeds and how other guys were getting which model and blah blah blah how ti was better than carbon... blah blah blah. Like it was some kind of club where you have a 3K worth of titanium pricetag to get in... freaking nutty. I think you will find these types in about any sport, however. All Im trying to say is there are pompous people with all kinds of bikes... just look at African....haha

(just kidding dude... I love my fondy too!!!)

Hey, if they are buttholes, you can either ride faster or slower... no one's forcing you to tuck in.

Chris
re: why so many Colnago owners are posers?Tarheel71
Nov 12, 2003 9:06 AM
Guess that means a lot of Litespeed owners are posers too, because considering the fact that a C40 generally comes with frame, fork, seatpost, and stem, a comparably-equipped Ultimate or Vortex or whatever-named high-end Litespeed often will actually cost more than a C40.
I disagree.Major Kong
Nov 12, 2003 9:11 AM
Some of the nicest folks I've come across while riding were sitting on Colnagos. You shouldn't lump people together in groups because you dislike a few individuals. It sets a bad trend.


Andrew
It's like a 300 lb. woman wearing Versace....litespeedchick
Nov 12, 2003 9:20 AM
It's not that most Versace wearers are fat....it's just that those are the ones you NOTICE !
re: why so many Colnago owners are posers?R600DuraAce
Nov 12, 2003 9:25 AM
yes, yes. That's why I am ridding an Orbea. Cheaper. Not sure but I am not attracted to Colnago at ALL.
not to add or detract from the argumentThe Human G-Nome
Nov 12, 2003 9:33 AM
I was at the LBS yesterday and some guy brought in his brand new C-40 that he was building up and was looking for a seatpost that would fit. It turns out there were two - a Thompson that cost about 60 bucks and one made by Colnago that the shop was selling for $269! The shop owner tried to sell him the Thompson and even said "This new Thompson is really, really lite because he knew that was the Colnago owner's main concern. The owner then said "Are you kiddding me?! That post weighs 20% more then the Colnago one!" The wrench then asked "Do you race?" After he said "no", the wrench said, "Then buy the Thompson". It was a funny little interaction actually, but I'm sure it happens every day with every kind of bike.
re: why so many Colnago owners are posers?george_da_trog
Nov 12, 2003 10:08 AM
If they're posers, the drop them on the ride. If they're prickheads, ask, "Why are you being a prick?"

george
re: why so many Colnago owners are posers?03Vortex
Nov 12, 2003 10:59 AM
I have a question. What the hell else are we going to wear?? And, why is that cyclists are beating up on other cyclists for what they wear?? Look at the jerks that are in the NBA, NFL, MLB. I haven't lately seen any pro cyclists act like that. Let's support each other and if one chooses to wear his underwear when he/she rides, so be it. If another chooses to look like a team rider, then so be it again.
re: why so many Colnago owners are posers?R600DuraAce
Nov 12, 2003 11:21 AM
See, there is this rule if you race, set by USCF. You can only wear the team jersey that you belong to. Otherwise, you have to wear that jersey inside out. No rainbow or yellow jersey allowed. I don't care about NBA or NFL. They are way different from cycling. Who sets the standard in cycling? The pros. :-)
re: why so many Colnago owners are posers?03Vortex
Nov 12, 2003 11:34 AM
That was really my point. Pro cyclists don't behave or act like the pros in those other sports albiet pro cyclits do take enough performance enhancing drugs to give the sport a bad name at times. So, if someone opts to wear a pro cycling team jersey when they ride in support of a team made up of people you feel you can actually respect, I'm okay with that. But, how many people wear the jersey of the superstar NBA, NFL player who is an absoulte jerk and no one says anything:)
I love my Colnagomapei boy
Nov 12, 2003 12:11 PM
I love my Colnago. I don't care what others think. It puts a smile on my face. When that guy on the Trek (in full Postal kit) sneers at me at the stoplight, I give him a big grin and tell him, "Nice bike." If safety considerations aren't getting in the way, I wave at every other biker on the road - from the busboy riding to work on his Magna or old Nishiki, to the grim-faced packs of Cannondale riders.

I test-rode at least 25 other bikes - some more expensive - before I bought the Colnago. It spoke to me. It felt perfect. I am utterly unapologetic about my choice in bicycles. Don't Worry! Be Happy! Ride a Colnago!
Winner of Best-Post-in-Thread award goes to mapei boy-nmlitespeedchick
Nov 12, 2003 1:12 PM
I love my ColnagoR600DuraAce
Nov 12, 2003 1:33 PM
Don't get me started with the Postal Trek posers. I have a guy actually asked me what kind of bike I was ridding. I have an Orbea. Of course, there is this another Postal dude gave me the Lance look on a 4% to 5% garde roller less than quarter mile long. He was annoyed that I was drafting behind him and didn't say anything, at the bottom of this ridiculous climb. :-) I tried to go up slowly beside him with the small ring. I say f__ked it and let him have it. I sat down. Switched to the big ass ring (53 x 16). Hands on the drops. Within second I flew up that "hill" at 22 mph. He had to change to the big ring to hang on to my wheel. A the crest, he blew up, while I was still flying away from him.
and how does this have to do with the thread? nmThe Human G-Nome
Nov 12, 2003 1:46 PM
So, a guy pulls you to a hill, and then you blow by him, andbill
Nov 12, 2003 1:54 PM
now you're pleased with yourself? For what, pray tell? The extra kicker is that there is nothing to show why you had any reason to believe that the other guy was playing your game at all -- all he knows is that some guy drafted behind him and then seemed to get all excited going up a hill.
Oh, and then there's this -- a guy shows interest in your bike, and you think he's a dunderhead. Hmm.

Sheesh. And people think Colnago riders have attitude.
What a proud moment for you.Gregory Taylor
Nov 12, 2003 2:43 PM
After putting that pernicious Postal Trek poser back in his proper place, I'm sure that you had a fine afternoon of running stop signs, terrorizing seniors and small children in crosswalks, and other cycling exploits worthy of "R600DuraAce - Genuine Cat 4 Racer."

Sheee-it.
oh, greg, lol. no lie. nmbill
Nov 12, 2003 2:47 PM
What a proud moment for you.R600DuraAce
Nov 12, 2003 3:08 PM
I was ridding a Raleigh R600 back then. :-)
I love my Colnago tooRoyGBiv
Nov 12, 2003 3:18 PM
And, happily for me, in my town 99 per cent of the people, whether they ride a bike or not, wouldn't know a Colnago from a SuperCycle.
Sometimes, though, I get the look from someone who assumes I'm a poser just because I ride a Colnago. You can see it in their face - that reverse snobbery - and I'm sure they kick in some adrenalin just to beat me up that hill. Probably brag to their friends later. I'm sensitive to this and, as a result, tend to do most of my ridng on my own out in the country where no egos can clash. All I really want to do is cycle. I just happen to do it on a Colnago.
Hey, bottom line: anyone who pedals a bike, no matter the brand, is alright by me.
Brian C.
Waddaya think, Greg? Think he gets it? Not?bill
Nov 12, 2003 3:25 PM
C'mon, dude, relax. No one cares what kind of bike you were riding (or not riding). No one for sure cares about whether you blew away some guy on a hill (especially after he towed you to the hill) who double for sure we know absolutely nothing about, including whether he even thought that he was racing you or whatever you believe happened.
Everyone zip up their pants, because we're talking bikes, not penis substitutes.
Just as bad as pickup drivers, I swear.
Naah.Gregory Taylor
Nov 12, 2003 5:39 PM
Not to get deep here, but our friend(s) needs to ride with Zen Master Doc. The bike is irrelevant. The experience of riding a bike is everything. He gets more joy from riding a crappy 30 year old Centurion Turbo extremely well than ten of us would get from riding a Dura Ace C-40 in our normal flailing fashion. Oh, he'd enjoy riding that Dura Ace C-40 too, but he doesn't need such a beast to have the experience of riding a bike. He's one of the most amazing guys that I've met.
I myself will never forget being silently towed up Telegraphbill
Nov 13, 2003 8:19 AM
in some early season ride by that guy. 58 y/o, on his ancient but beloved (sort of beloved -- I think if it had wheels and pedals it was beloved -- like a cat is beloved; great while it's around, but ultimately, largely fungible) whatever it was that week, and I was very glad for the privilege.
You guys are nuts to worry about this crap. If anyone thinksbill
Nov 12, 2003 1:47 PM
that a $5K bike puts him in some other league, that person has a real problem (it ain't like buying the Hope Diamond for crismas sakes).
But, you know, I'll bet that there are far more people who THINK a Colnago rider or whatever considers himself the bees knees for riding a Colnago than there are Colnago riders who actually consider themselves that way. People on nice bikes like the bike. Period. They don't think it's a reflection of themselves, I don't believe. Turds are turds, but you don't have to be a turd to have a nice bike, and having a nice bike doesn't make you a turd.
Now, for some reason, pickup trucks DO have that effect.

BTW, similarly judging "the shaved leg crowd" is also ridiculous, and a reflection of someone's insecurity. There are jerks who shave their legs and there are jerks who don't, and vice versa.
Are we not all posers?AaronL
Nov 12, 2003 5:01 PM
Let's face it, 99.9% of us have more bike than we can ever ride. Sure, I race, and I ride year 'round with my team. I'm a cat 3 master and have shaved legs. But, I'm still a poser with my Litespeed or my Specialized E5/Record. I'm not really using this stuff to its fullest extent, I just like having good parts. But honestly, I could get by with a lot less expensive stuff.

As I get older and make more money, I find my tastes getting more expensive. But so what, it's my money. Not to mention the fact that a full-boogie Colnago/Pinarello/Derosa/Merlin with Record 10 is still a heck of a lot cheaper than an angioplasty, and that's the worry I have these days.

Yep, I am a poser, and I'll bet that everyone else on this site is too. Posers unite and set yourselves free!
konstantin dFastPete
Nov 12, 2003 5:33 PM
That's one of them!!! Check out his postings on

> Galleries + Events > Bike Shots

That's the sort of poser you are talking about, right?
re: why so many Colnago owners are posers?slowmo1829
Nov 12, 2003 9:13 PM
Man don't sweat the light stuff,ride what you brung but ride hard.The best bike in the world is the one under you.
Aren't the Colnago toptubes kind of short ? ntTom C
Nov 12, 2003 9:15 PM
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yescyclopathic
Nov 13, 2003 8:52 AM
Colnago design frames around diff ergonomics then US mfg.
Avg euro rider has shorter torso and prefers saddle position moved back. Also handling designed around longer /13-14cm/ stem. All this makes for short TT and I didn't like the fit.
re: why so many Colnago owners are posers?geeker
Nov 13, 2003 7:44 AM
Honestly, I don't think I've ever encountered a Colnago rider who didn't seem like a d**k! However, I almost always ride by myself in a rural area of upstate NY, so there are several qualifiers: 1) Sample size is small; 2) Judgements are based on very cursory impressions; 3) The Colnago riders are all wealthy NYC residents up for the weekend, so other factors may be involved.
You calling this guy a poser??!!ZenJones
Nov 13, 2003 7:54 AM
This guy shaves his legs, rides ONLY Colnago's(has 6 of them actually), works hard to be able to buy all the latest Spandex gear, reads everything by Lance, has Ulrich posters in his office cubicle, had 1 testicle removed to have an "edge" on his club rides, had his wife change her name to Kristen, relocated to Texas, vacations in Waterloo, Wisconsin, even though he's a democrat voted for Bush because he's from Texas, takes French lessons at his local YMCA, drives a Subaru and...

is Patriotic.
You calling this guy a poser??!!ZenJones
Nov 13, 2003 7:56 AM