|Campy Centaur or Chorus?||Kiwi Rider|
Nov 8, 2003 10:53 PM
All things considered, is there a major difference between the two? Is it worth the price difference? I'm planning to change my current 105 group set to either of these. I live in NZ, so US prices are totally irrelevent. Also, I will be getting new wheelsets as well. Are Neutrons better than Protons in a big way, are Eurus worth the difference over Zonda? I hope to get one either Neutron or Eurus, the other Proton or Zonda. I currently ride Mavic CXP21 with 105 hubs, my bike is a Giant TCR 2 (2001). I weigh approx 146 lb.
|re: Campy Centaur or Chorus?||hudsonite|
Nov 9, 2003 6:01 AM
|Chorus vs Centaur,
Depends on whether you are talking about the 2003 or 2004. The 2004 Chorus is very similar in style (read carbon) to the 2003 record. The 2004 centaur is like the 2003 Chorus.
So if the 'carbon' style bits are what you want, go with Chorus. Otherwise the Centaur (2003/2004) is going to be a quality and reliable groupset. You can still order the 2003 centaur from TotalCycling.com for about 300UK pounds.
As for the wheels, the protons are a great wheel set and can be maintained easier than the neutrons. If price is a concern, you will be very happy with the Protons. The difference is minimal.
I have no experience with the Eurus or Zonda.
|re: Campy Centaur or Chorus?||lyleseven|
Nov 9, 2003 7:51 AM
|I voie for Chorus and Neutron. However, the Neutrons are more difficult to maintain and the Protons are a good wheel. for your wt. the Protons are going to be fine. I have both Centaur and Chorus. I love the Centaur on my touring bike but it is a bit clunkier than Chorus. Chorus is smooth as silk. Both are excellent in terms of holding up well. The new Centaur comes in an anodized greyish color (as well as aluminum color) and looks great. There are some good prices on 03 Chorus if you don't need the carbon look. Good luck, you can't go wrong with either choice.|
|Centaur is not like Chorus||collinsc|
Nov 9, 2003 8:39 AM
|unless all you are speaking to is the appearance of carbon.
There are significant differences in items like the shifters and derailleurs, bushings where in Chorus they use bearings.
For 2004 Campy has seemingly moved Chorus up range by adding carbon bits (and a nice crank, though not much else is really changed), while not greatly effecting their middle and low end groups. This is fine if you were shopping Centaur of Veloce to begin with.
I'm sure someone here can more accurately explain the differing details between groups.
|From internal Campy documents||hudsonite|
Nov 9, 2003 9:06 AM
|This is taken from an internal Campy presentation
Changes for Centaur 2004
Two colors available - silver and Century Grey
Hiddenset/Headset - Record class bearings, Chorus class washers.
Rear derailleurs - Forged bodies - Record class (last years chorus)
Crankset - no change other than logo
Front derailleur - Same as chorus 2003
Triple front - same as record 2003
brakes - no change, except for logo and new color
Hubs - new color
Bottom bracket - improved cartridge tolerances.
net, net centaur 2004 is somewhere between last years Centaur and last years chorus.
Nov 9, 2003 10:39 AM
|I had in mind only the shifters, I could not recall all the details.
|Campagnolo.com has parts diagrams...||Breakfast|
Nov 9, 2003 6:03 PM
|...and that will illustrate the differences in the component lines. They're in a .PDF format and once you download the document and compare the groups individual components you'll see how close they are, with the exception being a bushing here or there instead of a bearing.|
|Been riding Chorus since 1998 and Record since 2002 . . .||Look381i|
Nov 9, 2003 8:39 AM
|and have 2001 Chorus too, but they will be somewhat different -- lighter, more carbon bits -- in either 2003 or 2004 versions. (I have ridden Campy since 1972.) Having ridden friends' bikes with Shimano 105, etc., I can predict that you notice a change in ergonomics and performance. The brifters feel much different, although whether that is good or bad depends on personal preference. The shifting should be crisper and quicker.
In general, I prefer the feel of Record carbon brifters, but otherwise have found performance of Record and Chorus to be indistinguishable. Record is lighter, but not so much as to be important to me. Unless money is not an issue, save some by going with Chorus and devote those savings to another upgrade -- perhaps wheels. If Chorus doesn't yet have Carbon brifters, you might consider subbing the Records for them.
I ride Eurus (and also Ksyriums). My Eurus have over 6000 miles on them with zero problems, and are as perfectly true as the day I got them. I have no experience with the other Campy models.
|Chorus does have the carbon||collinsc|
Nov 9, 2003 8:42 AM
|For 2004, Campagnolo has included the 2003 Record features in the Chorus groupset. This includes the rear der., the cranks, and the shifters.
2004 Chorus is nearly identical to 2003 Record, except for the bottom bracket and some titanium hardware.
|Chorus does have the carbon||Kiwi Rider|
Nov 9, 2003 1:49 PM
|I that 2004 Chorus has carbon and wonder whether there is any functional difference between the alloy. If I were to get Chorus, it would most likely be 2004 year. Centaur would also be 2004 year. Thankyou for the replies, I probably will go for Centaur being cheaper and still undecided about the wheels though.|
|Chorus does have the carbon||charlieboy|
Nov 10, 2003 1:44 AM
|I use a mix of Centaur and Veloce, and all have been great. Note that if you choose Chorus or higher gruppo you have to use the appropriate bottom bracket, as Centaur and lower chainsets will not fit Chorus and above bottom brackets. Most other components are interchangeable, within 10 or 9 speed ranges that is. Chorus and higher ergo shifters have ball bearings rather than bushings internally - smoother and longer lasting maybe? The Chorus and higher brakes sets are differential (i.e. the rear is a single pivot). The carbon bits are lighter than the alloy, so theoretically the rd may shift quicker but we are talking milliseconds here!
I have used the campy Zonda wheelset for a year of racing, training, the lot - absolutely bombproof for me (170 lbs), hasn't needed truing or anything. Check out the differences between the various campy wheels at www.branfordbike.com - although note that the wheels have been updated for 2004 (Zonda front is now a regular spoked radial for example) - Zondas have exposed spoke nipples whereas Eurus are hidden etc. It's probably a good idea to get a mini spare spoke set when you buy a wheelset, just in case.
Good luck - whatever you choose you will be very happy I'm sure.