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Hi. My name is Mark. I'm addicted to buying French bikes!(39 posts)

Hi. My name is Mark. I'm addicted to buying French bikes!KG 361
Nov 6, 2003 2:31 PM
PLease help me. It's a sickness! I just nabbed this baby on e-bay, a NEW Kg 461 for $860! I couldn't pass it up. I'll swap everything from the 361 over except the f derailer and seat post-they won't fit. I'll sell the 361 (in the spring, probably, unless anyone out there is interested). Here is the ad pic. I'll post when I get her put together!
You're making me look bad:-)Dave Hickey
Nov 6, 2003 2:38 PM
Great deal. Where did you get a 461 for $860?
Don't worry. You're still king =)KG 361
Nov 6, 2003 3:18 PM
I was just surfing thru e-bay and saw it. No one bid on it until about 1/2 hr before the auction closed. I suspect the general cycling community doesn't know about the 461-yet. It is a place in Utah.
Please post pics of the complete bikeDave Hickey
Nov 6, 2003 4:19 PM
I can't wait to see it
I saw that one on E bay...teoteoteo
Nov 6, 2003 3:19 PM
I am at home with fever meanwhile my new 381 is waiting at the shop to be built. The fever really doesn't stop me but a workstand won't fit in my bathroom if you catch my drift....
confession of a LOOK addict?orange_julius
Nov 6, 2003 3:41 PM
dave, since i'm a confessed LOOK addict, any chance
you can post pictures of your collection on the web?
would love to see your bikes! thanks in advance.
confession of a LOOK addict?Dave Hickey
Nov 6, 2003 4:20 PM
I'll get the pics together and post a link.

Thanks! Looking forward! nmorange_julius
Nov 6, 2003 4:35 PM
Jenson has 'em for $869Dropped
Nov 7, 2003 1:35 PM
Jenson has the 461 for $869. Heck of a deal. Wish I needed a new bike!
I'm guessing wholesale is $800.KG 361
Nov 8, 2003 12:41 PM
They must be getting rid of the 2003's to make room for the 2004's. I just saw a new 481 at the lbs. SWEET!
You're going to have to change your name again. NMDERICK
Nov 6, 2003 5:23 PM
I know.KG 361
Nov 6, 2003 5:30 PM
I'll have to use something a little bit more generic, just in case I get rid of this one (not likely, although that's what I said about the 361....).
If you phone Look ...AllUpHill
Nov 7, 2003 4:47 AM
and describe your dillema, they might be willing to leak you all their planned model names for the next 5 years. Then you could just preemptively register them all on RBR and you'd be covered ;-)
You don't think it is already OBVIOUS?filtersweep
Nov 7, 2003 6:43 AM

Personally, I prefer the -81 line of Looks....
Me too.High Gear
Nov 6, 2003 6:13 PM
The Cyfac is a custom and the Look is a KG 281. I love the way the Look rides and would buy another in a flash. Good luck and enjoy.
Sadly my 381 doesn't fit going on classifieds...teoteoteo
Nov 6, 2003 7:27 PM
As I mentioned earlier this week I bought a practictly new 2003 381 from a friend that has several eye candy machines. I wnet to the shop and slapped all the essential parts on and it is too small.

I'm pretty bummed as I was looking forward to it but at the same time I suspected it may be too small.
What size?DERICK
Nov 6, 2003 7:59 PM
My 361's a 57.nmKG 361
Nov 6, 2003 8:45 PM
52 C to C w/ 54.8 or 54.9 Top tubeteoteoteo
Nov 7, 2003 7:34 AM
Derick not sure if you were asking me or not...

I have been riding a 56 top tube with 100 stem but I thought a 55 would feel better and I could run a 110.

My legs are on the shorter side of average so I thought it may work.
don't you mean "Freedom bikes"??ctisevn
Nov 6, 2003 8:23 PM
or not. nice f/f.
re: Hi. My name is Mark. I'm addicted to buying French bikes!collectorvelo
Nov 7, 2003 12:38 AM
That is a great looking frame. Do you also have older bikes? I have old Peugeot, Motobecane, Gitane, Mercier, and Carrie - all great french bikes. There were some many others too in the day.
Yep.KG 361
Nov 7, 2003 6:06 AM
I have an 80's Gitane that is my fixie. I had an old Gitane that was my 1st real road bike, back in the 70's. I loved that bike. Unfortunately, I grew. It became too small. I was ecstatic to find an old Gitane on e-bay last year that was my current size. I paid a little over $5 for it. It cost more to ship than the bike cost =)
You will love it.AcesFull
Nov 7, 2003 6:21 AM
Mine is exactly like yours with Chorus. I posted pics a few weeks ago. This bike loves to turn and climb. It is exceptionally balanced. Its geometry (59 cm at least) is perfect for those who love to dive into corners. I couldn't be happier with it.
I love mine too.pitt83
Nov 7, 2003 9:58 AM
As you say, corners like it's on rails. Very agile. The super soft Vittorias were great for handling, but the Vrdensteins are much more durable.

You'll love this. I was going to buy a 361, but waited for the 461 since I'm a big guy and liked the idea of oversized tubing and HR carbon.

You're stealing this frame. I paid $1400, but it was a new model in March and money wasn't my first concern. A great bike was.
Did you know that there are 3 french words for bike?_rt_
Nov 7, 2003 6:24 AM
le velo
la bicyclette
la becane

anyone know what the difference between them is?

is this anything like Eskimos having something like 21 words for snow?

More useless French informationDave Hickey
Nov 7, 2003 6:59 AM
Two of the largest French bike companies, LOOK and Time, picked their names because they sounded American. There is no meaning behind their names.

Even though I love LOOK bikes, I still can't figure out the French!
More useless French informationKG 361
Nov 7, 2003 7:29 AM
My bro-in-law lives in France. He makes it a point to let you know that he is in fact German by heritage-his family just happened to move to France =)
A funny little Frenchman told me...teoteoteo
Nov 7, 2003 7:38 AM
That Velo was a name for a racing bike and Bicyclette was a term used for a "townie" type bike.

He didn't mention la becane
interesting, thanks! (nm)_rt_
Nov 7, 2003 8:03 AM
I always heard velo, not bicyclette, at PBP. nmLon Norder
Nov 7, 2003 10:48 AM
Gender differences.orange_julius
Nov 7, 2003 7:51 AM
"le" means masculine.
"la" means feminine.

so tour de france is masculine because you refer to it
as "le tour". now, if you call it "la tour", french
speakers will think that you're saying "the tower".

to answer your question, "velo" is masculine and "bicyclette"
is feminine. road bikes are generally "velo" although
i'm not sure about women-specific bikes. cruisers are
usually "bicyclette".

not sure about "becane", most likely this is feminine.

try calling somebody's LOOK a becane or bicyclette and
see what happens :-).
i know about the gender specific articles..._rt_
Nov 7, 2003 8:02 AM
seeing as i'm functionally fluent in french. i just was wondering about the useage of the 3 different terms. in english you can use bike & bicycle interchangeably. i was wondering if the same was true for the 3 french terms.

based on what you've said they are not interchangeable.

i would guess that becane might also refer to racing, as in the name Motobecane.....just guessing though.


becane ...orange_julius
Nov 7, 2003 9:21 AM
unfortunately i don't have any french-speaking friends who
are serious bikers ... i have actually never heard of
"becane" until you mentioned it.

maybe it's for riders who don't want to get caught
riding a masculine item? ;-)

thanks,er ... merci! er... freedom!
i found it in the french-english dictionary..._rt_
Nov 7, 2003 9:33 AM
the other day when i was looking up velo to determine if it was a masc or fem noun (i wanted to congratulate Mike Tea on his beau velo). la becane was listed as a term for bicycle & it didn't have any sort of notation that it was slang. on the other hand, given the number of people who have never heard the term it certainly is obscure!

Not french, but..hudsonite
Nov 7, 2003 9:23 AM
As an English person in Quebec (that also speaks French) here is what I know.

Prior to 1980 la 'bicylette was used in Quebec to describe a bicycle. In france during that time, 'velo' was used for a bike.

Since 1980 the word 'velo' started to become common in Quebec and bicyclette became common in France. Sort of like the differences between the UK and the US english.

la becane is not an official word and is probably short or slang for motobecane, a famous producers of bikes.
learned my french in MTL..._rt_
Nov 7, 2003 9:30 AM
8 years doing post-graduate work at McGill. i actually found becane in a french-english dictionary recently (i was looking up velo to see if it was masc. or fem.) and it didn't have 'slang' next to it, so i think it might be a real (if obscure!) term for bicycle.

thanks for the info.

re: Hi. My name is Mark. I'm addicted to buying Italian bikes!T-Doc
Nov 7, 2003 7:44 AM
I feel your pain.
Nice fixie. nmKG 361
Nov 7, 2003 7:47 AM
Hi Mark.djg
Nov 7, 2003 11:29 AM
The first step is recognizing that you have a problem.

One step is enough for your first day.