Nov 2, 2003 3:50 PM
|Suppose you are in a group ride with a familiar group, and you are involved in a crash with another member of the group and there is some damage to your ride. In fact both parties sustain damages. How would you handle it?
Would you pick up the pieces and chalk it up to bad luck and stuff happens or blame the other guy, let the rest of the group know how squirrelly he is and send him a check for damages?
|let it go...||C-40|
Nov 2, 2003 4:00 PM
|Unless the other person was deliberately agressive, I'd says it's part of the risk you take riding in groups. If the other rider made a dumb move, you should point out the mistake and hope he learns. Next time don't ride near the guy. No way are you going to collect damages.|
|For the record...||gala7516|
Nov 2, 2003 4:04 PM
|...this is not me it is another rider in our group.|
Nov 2, 2003 4:53 PM
|Let it go. Talk to the guy, tell him calmly that you think he was riding irratically, which is cool coming from someone who wasn't involved in the accident because he can't view it as bad blood from someone he just took out. If he continues to ride like a moron then you have every right as a GROUP to politely ask him to no longer come along on your rides. If it's just you that thinks his riding is irratic and everyone else in the group has no problems with him then you need to find a new group to ride with or re-evaluate your own riding technique.|
|No one ever listens||hammer_cycle|
Nov 2, 2003 7:03 PM
|I do group rides up to 4 times a week and the same people doing the same stupid things do them week in and week out, regardless if people tell them what they're doing wrong. I have found that most people think they are unrecognized Lance Armstrong's when it comes to riding technique and see everyone else as having that viewpoint as well. Once that happens, most people just give the 'umm kay' and keep doing what they've been doing. Its hard to kick people out of group rides. I find that most crashes happen now at the end of the season because the rides have slowed down and these 'questionable' riders dont' get dropped.|
Nov 2, 2003 9:12 PM
|If you have riders like this in your group, you have to ask yourself why you are still riding in that group. Seems to me that you are raising the level of possible damage or harm by continuing to ride with these guys. Cycling has enough inherent risks without grouping up with some numbskulls who are Lance Wannabes. Our group handles these issues very simply, we ask them not to ride with us. I sustained a broken neck because some guy decided to make a maneuver without looking causing an ugly crash. I didn't ride for three months and he doesn't ride with us at all.|
Nov 2, 2003 9:36 PM
|Well, this particular group ride is rather large, is great training, but is very dangerous. Just last weekend there were 2 pileups in the separated fields. One can mitigate the risks by riding at the front or in the back, which certainly helps. In the summer, the harder the ride, the better the riders left and these issues sort themsleves out usually. Unfortunately, on a group ride with 100+ people showing up, a good % of them fall into the 'idiots/erratic/whatever' category and they almost never seem to get better with time or pay attention to people's comments. Quite interesting! Its hard to bail on a group ride where you know you can get in a lot of miles quickly at a nice intensity level. If everyone decent to good is doing the ride, it could mean riding alone if one skips the ride, which has its own dangers as well.|
|start a new group...||african|
Nov 3, 2003 6:27 AM
|meet 10 minuets earlier than the current group. Start a new route for a core group.|
|Sounds like a hammerfest racer wantabe ride||bimini|
Nov 3, 2003 7:06 AM
|It sounds like this is a ride for racers and wantabe racers. If this is the case, the don't race it if you can't afford to break it rule applies. Even if the other bikers move is intentionally aggressive, you don't ask for damages.
If it were a casual social ride and someone was acting like an idiot then it may be a different story.
If you like this ride but don't like to be close to certain riders, then break off into subgroups you are comfortable with. Either pull off the front or drop back (depending on your strength.) I've noticed several times when on race practice group rides if there is a squirrel the experienced riders will drop his sorry @ss at the first hill.
Otherwise find another group that better fits your style.
|Was this Gimbels?||torquer|
Nov 3, 2003 7:52 AM
|I heard yesterday (Sunday) that there were two pile-ups the previous Sunday, with one rider on the long route getting pretty busted-up.
For once, I was lucky, even if I didn't think so at the time: my rear derraileur cable broke 5 miles in & I had to turn around.
|100+ is too much...||biknben|
Nov 3, 2003 8:01 AM
|100+ rider group ride??? Race fields are limited to less because of safety. I'd hope that this pack breaks up into smaller groups quickly. I can't imagine public roads that would allow a group like this to ride safely. Is there no traffic?
It shouldn't be too hard to form a smaller group of those you know or recognize as better riders. Plan to meet 15 minutes earlier and just go. The guy who got taken out would probably welcome the idea.
|but it's agreat ride||53T|
Nov 3, 2003 8:45 AM
|I've only done this ride once, since I live in Massachusetts, but it is a blast.
100+ is a conservative estimate when the weather is nice. The group splits into lengths, but not until about 10-15 miles have gone by en-masse. The start is right up Rt. 100, Central Avenue, a six lane artery known as the world's longest shopping center. The crowd is very international, English, Spanish, Portugese and Nuw Yawk are all heard in the peleton. A must ride when visiting NYC.
Nov 3, 2003 4:35 AM
|Are people in the group really that litigious that they start seeing "£££ damages" intead of "damage to bikes"? That is depressing :-(
Group riding has risks and they can happen to anyone at any professional level (just watch the TDF, every year there is a peleton-pile-up). Maybe let the crash-causer back on probation as it were. If he causes another one then he's out. Until then, chalk it up to experience and keep some distance between yourselves...
Or ride on your own, no-one but yourself to blame if you crash then.
|If you can't replace it, don't race it...||Spunout|
Nov 3, 2003 5:04 AM
|I can't wait for the first guy on a Dogma Ego to roll out of the parking lot in a group ride when one newbie misses a clip in, brushes into the frame and dents the top-tube.
This will happen!
|If you can't replace it, don't race it...||lyleseven|
Nov 3, 2003 8:21 AM
|Right on! And when you break your neck because of some idiot, you won't be worrying about the ding in the top tube, you will be worrying about whether you will ever ride again! Anyone riding in a group of 100, or even 50, is just waiting for his accident to happen!|
Nov 3, 2003 10:34 AM
|Re: your second paragraph. Yup. That's about it. Sh!t happens. It probably wasn't intentional, so deal with it.
It happened to me a few weeks ago. Oops! Wham! down I went. It is just one of those things about bike riding/racing that you just have to deal with. Luckily for me, I didn't do anything worse than crack my helmet and bend the left drop on my bars. I'm only out $65...
In groups, there's always someone that is a little squirrely. Its your job to ride safely, leaving room for error, etc. If you don't ride carefully you're asking for trouble, 'cause the guy in front of you doesn't know where your wheels are...
Now if it were a blatant hook, etc. THEN it'd be a different story. We had one of those one Thursday night at Fiesta Island this year. The perpetrator has had to pay damages because of it. He should've gotten a lot worse done to him, but oh well. Two wrongs don't make a right...