|How many headset spacers?||bikefreax|
Oct 29, 2003 5:04 AM
|I just got a new frame and it is slightly smaller than my current. The top tube is .5cm shorter but due to the rest of the geometry it looks like I have to use about 20mm of headset spacers. Is this to much? If I go up to the next size frame it is 1cm longer on top tube and I already feel stretched out.|
Oct 29, 2003 5:54 AM
|...on the specific limits set by the manufacturer depending on whether the fork is a 1" or 1 1/8". I think that the limit for many 1" forks is 25mm of spacers. But, for 1 1/8" forks, you can have more, for example. Reynolds Ouzo Pro has a rating of 38mm of spacers. What fork are you using and is it a 1" or 1 1/8"?|
|better to use stem rise...||C-40|
Oct 29, 2003 6:33 AM
|While using 2cm of spacer won't harm anything, it doesn't look real sharp. You don't mention your stem length or angle.
A Ritchey WCS stem with an 84 degree angle will raise the bars about 2cm if flipped over to the 96 degree position. While roadies may object to the non-traditional look, it will produce a more rigid setup than using 2cm of spacer.
Whether the next larger frame size would be more appropriate depends on the standover clearance and the stem length that would be required. If the larger frame yields little or no standover clearance and the stem would be shorter than 90mm, then the larger frame would not be a solution. If you would have more than 2cm of standover clearance and a stem length of 100mm or more, then it might be a better option.
Oct 29, 2003 7:15 AM
|I use a Deda newton 26 110mm stem with a 82 degree rise and currently run it flipped down. I like the feel of the bike the way it sets but it just looks funny with all those spacers. I think if I went next size up it raises me 2 sizes in seat tube length from 57 to 60 and that might be to much. I still have not cut the steerer tube for this reason. I will try the stem flipped tonight and see how that works.|
|2cm of spacers is fine and ...||Live Steam|
Oct 29, 2003 7:23 AM
|doesn't look bad either. I think a riser stem looks worse given the choice. I also think that the flex is minimal even with 2cm of spacers. Look at many pro setups and you will see similar. LA has at least 2cm of spacers on his bike. Check this pic taken by a friend of mine at the NYC Championship last year.|
|who really gives a crap||ColnagoFE|
Oct 29, 2003 7:53 AM
|I run about 2cm of spacers and a rise stem. if your position dictates a rise stem or spacers then do it. I'd rather have people make fun of me than be uncomfortable on my bike. Now that most of us are no longer using quill stems we should really get over this bias against rise stems and spacers. They are just a fact of life today.|
Oct 29, 2003 8:04 AM
|But given the choice I would go with the spacers. If flex is an issue, he should use a single 2cm spacer. That will give him a more stiff setup than stacking a few spacers together. He should also cut the steerer longer than needed by about .5cm - 1cm and put a spacer on top. That gives you even more posibilities down the road :O) (belly factor for Spring shape-up sessions :O)|
|this topic is always hilarious||Fez|
Oct 29, 2003 9:21 AM
|The only place where this is a hot topic is in cyberspace.
This is not really a problem in real life when out riding with real people. I've seen all kinds of setups, but usually I don't even think to look.
Just keep in within reason - anything less than 2.5cm of excess stack looks reasonable and should not have any performance compromise.
I'm not a fan of rise stems, but anything under 96 or 100 degrees should be just fine.
Its when people go pretty extreme in one or both areas when the bike looks a little silly, but even so, just ride. As long as its safe, it fits and is comfortable, go for it.
Oct 29, 2003 9:29 AM
|Just look at Lance's setup. He looks like a total Fred.|
|Just because Lance does it doesn't make it stylish (nm)||TJeanloz|
Oct 29, 2003 9:38 AM
|my point exactly||gtx|
Oct 29, 2003 10:13 AM
|Guy looks like a total geek on the bike. But who cares?|
|Especially those white socks :O) nm||Live Steam|
Oct 29, 2003 10:16 AM
|he likes the long socks doesn't he? nm||ColnagoFE|
Oct 29, 2003 10:51 AM
|re: Maximum number of spacers is...||hudsonite|
Oct 29, 2003 10:25 AM
|The maximum amount of spacers is dictated by the size of the steering tube. A 1 1/8 tube normally is limited to 30mm or 35mm.
But what really matters is how the bike fits. Nothing else really matters. Yes it would be nice not to have spacers or a rising stem. But if you cannot ride the bike and be comfortable, what is the point?
Twenty mm of stack is not that much in the grand scheme of things. Go for it and be fast and comfortable.
|No one cares . . .||Dropped|
Oct 29, 2003 10:37 AM
|My theory is that outside of 2 or 3 very vocal people in here, no one gives a crap about spacers. Run as many as you need to feel comfortable on the bike.|
|Only three variables......||Len J|
Oct 29, 2003 11:06 AM
|Safety, Fit, and aestetics.
SAfety: Each fork manyfacturerer has a maximum safe stack height. Stay below that & you stay safe.
Fit: Do whatever you have to do to get the bar position relative to your seat position where you are balancing comfort with performance. Riser stem, spacers, whatever.
Aestetics: Once safety & fit are certain, then decide how you want the bike to look. Some people like flat stems, some don't mind risers, some like spacers, some hate them. You can get the fit with many different combinations on a stock bike, On a custom, you can manipulate other things like TT slope & HT extension to give you even more looks. At the end of the day, no one but you & your riding buddies notice when you are moving. Even then, it's only if you think about it.
|Only three variables......||Jack9|
Oct 29, 2003 12:30 PM
|Don't forget the SEROTTA 'HEADS UP'