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Seven's aero downtube(8 posts)

Seven's aero downtubeweiwentg
Oct 28, 2003 5:33 AM
not sure if this has been posted here ... a while ago, people were asking questions about the aero downtube on Seven's tri bike. here it is on the Axiom. it looks ugly, imo.
Black stems and posts? What happened to the brushed Ti ones?nmFez
Oct 28, 2003 6:46 AM
and yes, 2 of the ugliest 7s I've seen in a while. nmFez
Oct 28, 2003 6:51 AM
Tri bikelyleseven
Oct 28, 2003 7:44 AM
This is their Tri bike, not their regular Axiom.
Marketed to the dumb consumer...biknben
Oct 28, 2003 9:15 AM
Seven doesn't have any problem tweaking the geometry of a regular Axium to make a tri-specific bike. I suspect they were loosing sales because the bike didn't "look" like a tri bike. Not enough aero goodies, etc. So, they introduce this friggin billboard of a downtube and now say "Hey we have a tri bike too!" The only thing that changed was the shape of one piece of Ti.

I have big respect for Seven for doing things the way they do. They've always gone against the grain to provide a solid product. This bike looks cheasy. Is this an attempt to cash in on the uneducated consumer who purchases based on looks?

If I were in the market for a tri bike, I'd take the regular Axium with a tri geometry before that thing.
"attempt to cash in on consumer who purchases based on looks"Steve_0
Oct 28, 2003 9:27 AM
well that describes 99 percent of the sport cycling industry.

He11, 1/2 this freaken bored spent yesterday afternoon discussing prettiest bartape options.
"attempt to cash in on consumer who purchases based on looks"weiwentg
Oct 28, 2003 9:51 AM
I actually do like the aero-tubed look in general ... but not in this particular instance.
as for looks, if you can, why not? a big reason why I got the Colnago was the paint. it is also a damn good bike, but the paint (and the price) sealed the deal.
Completely agreesn69
Oct 28, 2003 9:57 AM
Being a tri-nerd (and having been one for the past decade), I think I can say with a fair bit of experience-based observation that a great many newer triathletes (3 or less years in the sport) will frequently jump at anything that seems to offer and aero advantage. You see it frequently at the larger WTC-sponsored/supported/sanctioned races where people with more $ than sense and/or fitness will arrive sporting the latest and greatest in aero bikes, wheels and goodies. ...And then they post horrid swims, ride with terrible positions and run with a lot of pain and discomfort left over from the bike leg.

That's not everyone by a long shot, but I see it, and to tell the truth, I WAS it at that point in my "tri maturity." It's a cultural thing within the sport.

In this case, Seven created something to attempt to cash in on that tendancy--like you said. 60% or more of one's drag is caused by rider position. After that it's the front wheel and fork that matter. The frame matters, but not as much as one thinks. More importantly, at the average age-group level, it's one's position and one's comfort that matters the most...even for those with Kona aspirations/dreams.

FWIW, I think that Seven's tri geometry has long been a bit off--the top tubes are way too long for the STA/HTA combination. As always, getting a good fit from somebody who understands tri-fit is critical. I just can't see spending Seven money for something that offers minimal advantage over their round-tubes products or over something even cheaper like a Cervelo P2K or Yaqui. But, somebody will buy this thing. Personally, I think Serotta's new CXII is much more intruging--a steel tri bike. Again, however, proper fit/design will be the key, NOT the marketing gimicks.

My $.02,
Scott