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Who else is old enough to have used these?(39 posts)

Who else is old enough to have used these?Continental
Oct 24, 2003 7:38 AM
If you don't know what they are, enjoy your youth.
still do nmDougSloan
Oct 24, 2003 7:47 AM
Used 'em, hated 'em.OldEdScott
Oct 24, 2003 7:50 AM
That's one retro-ism I hope never to go back to!
Agree totally (nm)Spoke Wrench
Oct 24, 2003 8:01 AM
Fewer riders with knee and hot-spot complaints back then. nmdzrider
Oct 24, 2003 9:44 AM
For us youths..........what are they?Tower
Oct 24, 2003 7:51 AM
punishmentDougSloan
Oct 24, 2003 8:00 AM
Cleats that are nailed onto the bottom of your bike shoes. The slot fits over the rear of the pedal. When you have one or two, in my case, leather straps tying your foot to the pedal, these little babies will keep you from coming out no matter how hard you crash.

Doug
Keep you from coming out at stopsigns too.OldEdScott
Oct 24, 2003 8:07 AM
Ever wonder why every serious cyclist from 20 years ago is real damn good at trackstands?
yes, that's a perk nmDougSloan
Oct 24, 2003 8:10 AM
Question about the straps...Fez
Oct 24, 2003 8:15 AM
Never could figure out how loose to keep the strap. Too tight and I feared it would never release in a crash. Too loose and it would come out on the upstroke. Always thought it was a pain to manually loosen them when approaching a stoplight. What's the protocol with these clips and straps?

I never fell, but every day I rode in fear that my foot would never release in the event of a crash. Moved to clipless after a few weeks and never rode in fear again.

How did we ever ride back in the days of clips and straps, unpadded brake hoods, and uphill with downtube shifters?
Your first graf pretty much sums up the nightmare.OldEdScott
Oct 24, 2003 8:24 AM
Ther IS no protocol to the things, that I could ever figure out. It was just a real rotten way of affixing foot to pedal. I finally just threw the cleats away and rode with Avocet touring shoes (they had shallow slots built in) and loose straps.
cinch those babies down!DougSloan
Oct 24, 2003 9:01 AM
If you were in city traffic, loosen one a bit. Out on the road, cinch them down until your toes turn blue. Actually, I ran/run (on my retro bike) two straps, witch keeps the feet planted, but with less tension on each strap.

Yes, you really do learn to track stand, or at least learn to ride very slowly and time your approach to a stop light so that you don't have to stop long.

If you crash, your last concern is where your feet are.

I always had rubber/gum brake hoods, but downtube shifters. Further, I thought my 13-22 freewheel and 52/42 gears were "Alpine" gears. Anything other than straight blocks was for wusses or to heal from knee surgery. Don't forget unpadded Cello Tape and hard-as-concrete Brooks saddles, too.

Here's my retro, by the way:



and more: http://www.midcalracing.com/celeste.htm
Is your retro bikeFez
Oct 24, 2003 9:19 AM
Is your retro bike a tad too big for you?

Or was this the type of setup everyone had back in the day, where everyone had larger frames, less standover and higher handlebars?

P.S. Nice bikes, all of them!
A very Grant Peterson setup. nmOldEdScott
Oct 24, 2003 9:33 AM
perfectDougSloan
Oct 24, 2003 9:34 AM
It's the same nominal 55 cm I've ridden for 25 years on many different bikes.

The Brooks saddle rails are very tall[?], which exposes less seatpost. There is still a fair amount of drop, 3-4 inches.

Doug
"Hard as concrete saddles..."tazdag
Oct 24, 2003 3:00 PM
makes me remember the years I spent on the Uniconitor (did I remember that name correctly) that was all plastic with steel rails. Didn't even have a leather covering. Ouch.

Oh yeah, and my freewheel was a 14-18 corncob mated with a 42/52.
Easy - Don't Stopbimini
Oct 24, 2003 9:46 AM
In my younger days it was against my religion to stop (or slow down). Never bought a replacement brake pad in my first 20 years of cycling. I figured I worked hard to get up to speed, like hell was I going to bleed it off through the brake pads.

So, I always kept the straps tight and tucked the loose end under just to make sure they were not going too loosen up on the upstroke.

Stop lights, No problem. Run em if you can get throught without getting hit, else turn right do a U turn and another right turn.

Now that for some strange reason I have lived to a moderately old age I value my Look Cleats and do actually stop at lights and have even worn out one set of brake pads.
LOL - All 4 at the same time?Fez
Oct 24, 2003 7:53 AM
When you REALLY want to get strapped in! nmOldEdScott
Oct 24, 2003 7:56 AM
Only in plastic.bimini
Oct 24, 2003 7:58 AM
..attached to Duegi shoes with carved wooden soles!...nmSpunout
Oct 24, 2003 8:08 AM
Yes, 101's.......still have 'em. Don't use 'em. nmMR_GRUMPY
Oct 24, 2003 8:21 AM
101's with double white binda straps.
re: Who else is old enough to have used these?utxjohne
Oct 24, 2003 8:04 AM
Yep. I had them. After getting back into cycling after a 9 year lay off I was shocked at how easy everything was.
Cyclings answer to bear trap bindings (nm)spluti
Oct 24, 2003 8:06 AM
used a slightly newer version..dotkaye
Oct 24, 2003 8:36 AM
plastic, with screws for attachment instead of nails. They were also horrible. I was using the straps from those original pedals on my kid-trailer-pulling bike up until last weekend: when the rear wheel jumped out of the dropouts, wedged into the frame, and I first broke the strap trying to get my foot out, then fell hard, bending the derailleur in the process. Oh well. I can't find a replacement der for a Schwinn Continental , so I guess I'll finally have to replace the bike. All for want of clipless pedals..
used a slightly newer version..MShaw
Oct 24, 2003 9:00 AM
That was me too. I never had the pleasure of setting up wooden soled shoes... I still have my first pair of road shoes at my parent's place in VA. They're pretty well dead now.

Once I upgraded to clipless on the road, I figured that the shoes would be OK for mtn biking. Did OK till I had to get off and walk... NOT recommended. Those slick soles DID NOT do well off the bike!

Finally upgraded to clipless on the mtn bike, and "retired" that pair.

I actually went back to clips and straps last year when racing track. Tried it for a while, decided that 20 years of improvements in clipless pedals was a good thing, and went back.

Mike
The worst was setting them up! ride a little adjust ride a litt.Old_school_nik
Oct 24, 2003 8:40 AM
le. adjust and your knees still never felt good about the final adjustment!

-Nik
I remember it well.DMoore
Oct 24, 2003 12:18 PM
The drill was to take a couple of rides without any cleats on the soles. You'd tighten down the straps, ride around, and then see where the pedal left an imprint on the sole of the shoe. Using that imprint as your guide, you'd nail down the cleat so that the cleat was very slight behind the imprint. That way there was a little bit of clearance left between the toe of the shoe and the toe clip. I went through a couple of pairs of shoes, and several sets of cleats, before modern science intervened and I got my first pair of shoes with bolt-on cleats.
Used both T.A. longs (touring) and shorts (racing) on soles (nm)Dale Brigham
Oct 24, 2003 8:47 AM
We always said T.A. stood for 'torture apparatus.' nmOldEdScott
Oct 24, 2003 8:53 AM
used a slightly newer version..dotkaye
Oct 24, 2003 8:53 AM
plastic, with screws for attachment instead of nails. They were also horrible. I was using the straps from those original pedals on my kid-trailer-pulling bike up until last weekend: when the rear wheel jumped out of the dropouts, wedged into the frame, and I first broke the strap trying to get my foot out, then fell hard, bending the derailleur in the process. Oh well. I can't find a replacement der for a Schwinn Continental , so I guess I'll finally have to replace the bike. All for want of clipless pedals..
Never saw them before in my life...:-)biknben
Oct 24, 2003 9:30 AM
I used plastic cleats with straps for a couple years before Look pedals revolutionized the way we ride.

I've never seen them made of metal like that.

At least I remember the days before clipless. :-)
I think my feet stay warmer now with clipless pedalsStraightblock
Oct 24, 2003 9:35 AM
How did we ever ride with those things? It's like how did we ever manage to watch TV without remote control? That's all there was.

I still have a pair of Adidas Eddy Merckx shoes with slotted cleats. I wear them once in a while on my 70s track bike. The uppers are worn thru on both feet from the Binda Extra straps rubbing over thousands of miles. Shoes have had to improve since then. In the early days of clipless pedals, some shoes weren't made well enough to hold together without a strap across the top, and would pull apart from the force of up-pedaling.

I only remember falling once, when I dropped a chain on a steep climb. Not sure I could have even clipped out of Looks fast enough either, if it happened today.
And did your local cobbler ever nail them in correctly? (NM)mapei boy
Oct 24, 2003 9:38 AM
Shudder..............Len J
Oct 24, 2003 9:44 AM
just got a flashback.

The two things I hated about those were:

1.) The straps would cut off circulation to my toes. Winter riding was the worst.

2.) Having to get out quickly was impossible. Coming to a light, you just anticipated, reached down & if you had the right straps, just pulled up on the outside of one clip. Pretty easy. The problem was when you had to unclip quickly, a panic stop or a dropped chain, then you had nowhere to go but down.

The first time I rode Looks, I thought I'd died and gone to heaven.

Len
re: Who else is old enough to have used these?t5rguy
Oct 24, 2003 10:54 AM
These were my first. Together with black leather shoes with leather soles. The guy in the bike shop nailed them in for me after some preliminary test riding without the cleats. A mark would appear in the sole where the edge of the pedal is. Good system? I don't think so.
Next pair of shoes: Duegi with wooden soles. Gotta have them! I can remember the water sloshing around in them on the rain rides. Got hammered out of the pedals on cobbled roads. After some wet rides one of the soles split down the middle! Threw them out.
Good memories.
re: Who else is old enough to have used these?blownpupil
Oct 24, 2003 2:27 PM
Yeah I remember those...had to go to the little tiny shoe repair shop (I lived in NYC then) with the ancient Italian man who nailed those suckers on. I'd find nails all over the apartment and have to tap 'em back in before the next ride. I think the shoes were Detto's. Remember all the holes in the thin black leather ?
I see you've all fallen for the myth of the clipless cabal...Cory
Oct 24, 2003 4:37 PM
I don't use the cleats anymore, but I do still have toe clips on a couple of bikes so I can ride without changing shoes. And I SWEAR TO GOD I'm not any slower with those than I am with the Ritcheys, the SPDs or the Looks.
re: Who else is old enough to have used these?biker
Oct 25, 2003 3:03 PM
For those who were riding with toe clips you should also remember these.