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I'm about to give up on boutique I crazy?(16 posts)

I'm about to give up on boutique I crazy?MXL02
Oct 23, 2003 7:06 AM
After spending several hours trying to adjust the hub tightness on my AC 420's, I pulled em off and put my Campy record/open pros back looseness, no noise, just smooth riding pleasure. Not the lightest wheelset, but how much difference does that really make, even in a race? If I ever do decide to get some lighter "racing" wheels, I will go to Joe Young or Dave'e Speeddream and build em on those sweet Record hubs.
re: I'm about to give up on boutique I crazy?wooglin
Oct 23, 2003 7:20 AM
I've never understood the boutique wheel phenomenon. Give me a good builder any day. Aside from repacking the hubs every year I can't remember the last time I had to screw with the wheels on my roadie.
I've come to the same conclusion...carpe_podium
Oct 23, 2003 7:50 AM
I have had Ksyriums and Eurus, and both were never as reliable as the "standard" wheelset (Open Pros and Chorus hubs) I have. I've given up on the chi-chi wheels too, the slight weight advantage isn't worth the hassle or expense. I'm not so sure that the standard wheels aren't around the same weight (or lighter) than most of the boutique wheels. I was thinking about buying some 420's, but I think I'll pass. Hey, you could replace the rear AC hub with Campy.
I've come to the same conclusion...Juanmoretime
Oct 23, 2003 9:03 AM
I'm interested in what your disatisfaction is with the Eurus wheels. I really like mine and have had them for several thousand miles without any spoke breakage or even needing to be retrued. I agree that they will be a pain in the butt to retrue, whenever that becomes necessary, same for spoke replacement. I do like the fact that bearing service is just like any other Campy hub. I like their weight, responsiveness, looks and even cost, I paid $560 new shipped.

Thanks in advance for the reply.
I've come to the same conclusion...carpe_podium
Oct 23, 2003 11:07 AM
Hey juanmoretime, if I recall correctly from some of your posts, you and I have pretty much the same bike setup (LS Tuscany, Campy, etc.). I ordered mine from Total Cycling and paid about the same as you. I would never pay $800 for a wheelset. I used my Eurus all of the time, training, racing, etc. I had no problems for about the first 6000mi. or so. Then, during a race, I was involved in a paceline crash (Cat 4 - hopefully 3 soon). This knocked my front wheel out of true. I took the wheel to the LBS and they trued it. But the wheel never seemed "right" and would come out of true every 500 mi. or so and it wasn't dead true like from the factory. I've since trued them myself many times, and it's impossible to get them perfect. I have since heard that these wheels are great until some problem occurs and then they're basically crap. The rear wheel is fine. BTW, I'm 6' tall and weigh 173lbs.
I've come to the same conclusion...Juanmoretime
Oct 23, 2003 1:10 PM
Very similar, 6'2", 175 lbs although I ride a Vortex. I'm cuurently knocking on wood, but other than I'm an idiot learning to ride clipless pedals falls in the early nineties, I haven't been down on a roadbike for over 27 years.So hopefully I won't have the same issue that you are. Did you try to disasembling the wheel and using some spoke prep to hold the nipples in place? Now mountain bikes, lets see, it's been at least since yesterday. I went MTBing with some friends yesterday and decided to wait for everyone to catch up in the middle of a steep climb. Do I need to tell the rest if the story?
You are totally saneColnagoFE
Oct 23, 2003 8:21 AM
I kept wanting to get a set of Ksyriums or Zipps but the only justification I could have for them was that they were a few ounces lighter and looked cooler (and a lot more $). I'm sticking to conventional wheels.
No, not crazymainframe
Oct 23, 2003 8:24 AM
I have CXP 33's on DA hubs, have never even thought about fixing or truing after thousands of miles. The weight difference has no practical implication (at least in my routines) and hey, I don't have a carload of mechanics following me around my course anyway.
I'm SLOWLY coming to a similar conclusion...biknben
Oct 23, 2003 8:45 AM
I sold my Zipp 303s over the summer. They were really nice but didn't have nearly enough durability. With the money from the sale, I was able to buy a pair of AC-350s and nice tires and still have money left over.

Yes, I bought another "boutique" wheel, but I'm made a much wiser choice and didn't blow the bank. Now, I can use my race wheels without being so concerned about wrecking them. "Don't race what you can't afford to replace" makes sense to me.
define botiqueweiwentg
Oct 23, 2003 8:55 AM
if they ever start selling separate 420 rims, it won't be a botique wheelset anymore...
I haven't yet had a problem with my AC hubs, though (they're laced to Ritchey aero OCR rims).
That's a good question...biknben
Oct 23, 2003 9:47 AM
The "standard wheelset", for me, is DA/Open Pro and it's variants. You can choose any combo of parts (hubs, rims, & spokes) and have them built up.

The "boutique" stuff starts when you can only get them pre-built and in sets. Parts are not readily available individually.

That leaves a lot of room for cross-over. I wouldn't consider Speed Dream wheels to be
i standard
even though they can be made to order. Similarly, I have a pair of Mavic Cosmos wheels which do nothing to excite me.
Forget the boutique wheels...Chicago_Steve
Oct 23, 2003 10:09 AM
I cut and pasted this from a similar thread back in Sept. The message still rings true for me...

Last year I started dabbling in building my own wheels and I will be the first to tell you that going the custom route is definitely the way to go... Why?

Standard Parts
Going with a custom wheel build means that you use standard parts. Lets say you break a spoke on your Ksyrium/Spinergy/"namebrand" system wheels. How many local shops are going to have that spoke in stock? How expensive will it be to replace (I've heard $5 for a Mavic Ksyrium spoke!)? Will you have to send your wheels back to the factory for service? Going with standard spokes/hubs/rims takes away alot of this hassle.

You customize the wheels!
By building a custom wheel you can make a lot of decisions on how the wheel will look and perform. For example, you can go with less spokes or more spokes depending on your application. You can vary the lacing pattern to influence the feel of the wheel. You can pick colored spokes/hubs/nipples to make your wheels look unique. Finally you can select the rims you want depending on your intended usuage (wider for touring/commuting, light for racing, aero for crits, etc.). These are not options when you buy factory built wheels.

Learn to build them yourself
Are you really concerned about $$$? Learn to build wheels yourself and you'll save money while developing a skill that will last you the rest of your bikeriding days! Sheldon Brown and others have great resources on building wheels on the Internet. It's not very hard to learn and is actually quite addictive.

Grab the latest Excel/Colorado Cyclist/Performance catalog and start looking at the system wheelsets in there. You might be surprised that their weight is often the same or more then a set of Open Pros laced 3x to Dura Ace or Record hubs. Surprising but true!
In amclassic's defense...shawndoggy
Oct 23, 2003 10:57 AM
The 420s are somewhere between a true factory and a true build it yourself wheel.

Am Classic assembles the wheels from parts and can do so to order (unlike Ks for example).

As WW pointed out, the "botique" thing about these wheels is that you can only get the 420 rims laced up by amclassic.

And Amclassic does make it a point that they lace up the wheels with regular old spokes and nips that you can buy anywhere.

So here, the rear wheel could be rebuilt with a DA rear hub in substitution for the AmClassic without having to special order parts (assuming the LBS actually carries the right range of spoke lengths, etc.).
create jobs..: build your bikes and wheels at LBScolker
Oct 23, 2003 12:06 PM
i like to think i ride something made by someONE and not some corp with technology. it makes me fast, fit and happy.
the same reason i like custom bikes, singlespeeds and steel..
i see people working. the big corp move is to create unemploymnet.
hey! MXL02..... Speed Dream front wheel for you??quadzilla1
Oct 23, 2003 3:26 PM
I have a Speed Dream front wheel I was going to post on Ebay over the weekend...wasn't sure if you were interested. It's a Velocity rim, Sapim x-ray bladed spokes, but it's laced to an American Classic Micro front hub (not a Campy). The front hub has the grease port, so all you do is inject the grease with a gun.

It is a front wheel only. Interested? Email me at or
no thanks...but good luck...hope it sells quick. nmMXL02
Oct 24, 2003 2:55 AM