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Oh so pleased with my MXL - I love steel!(36 posts)

Oh so pleased with my MXL - I love steel!Franchise
Oct 21, 2003 12:28 PM
Everyone,

With the advice of some people on this board, I purchased a Colnago Master Extra Light several months ago. I have been able to log over a thousand miles on this bike, and it is quickly becoming one of my favorites.

I never knew how well a steel bike rode. My first bike was AL(Klein Quantum), and I quickly jumped on the AL/cf seatstay bandwagon(Pinarello Prince). I found both of these rides fine, yet a little harsh. While I enjoyed the performance of these frames, I still wanted something more comfortable for longer rides.

I just wanted to thank everyone for their advice and thoughts prior to my purchase. FYI - I bought a NOS MXL in AD10, and I absolutely love it! The ride is solid, and this is my second 'Nago and I love the geometry.

Did my average mph increase? Well, I'm not going to make those claims. However, I do feel much better after riding a century than I did on my aluminum frames. I have found that I am fresher/stronger at the end of a long ride on the MXL and I can take advantage of those who are a little beat up from the ride of their bikes.

From now on, I may have to stay with steel frames exclusively.
Doug, please delete the last line immediatelyMarketing Dept
Oct 21, 2003 12:44 PM
If Franchise dicloses truths like this, how will I ever keep my job? All I sell are Alu and CF rides.

Seriously, I could not agree more. Steel is only a close second to my favorite all carbon rides. It may actually beat them in the comfort category.

I covet your new ride. I am soooo close to going back to steel. If I find the right price on a steel Merckx, it will all be over for the CF.

Do you have any pictures?
Doug, please delete the last line immediatelyFranchise
Oct 21, 2003 1:02 PM
I don't think that anyone will go out and sell their existing bike and buy a steel frameset just from my post. So, I doubt there is any danger to your business.

Anyway, I'm glad that the people of this forum talked me into going to steel. I really enjoy it, and I think that it definitely has kept me excited about the sport.

As for the Merckx steel, I love the Merckx MX Leader frameset! If I was going to buy another frameset, that would be it, probably in Motorola Colors OR MOLTENI ORANGE! On the other hand, a custom steel Serotta sounds nice too!

By the way, what are your favorite all carbon frames? My fiancee has been looking into a few, and I would appreciate your recommendations. Thanks!
Oh, I love steel,toomanybikes
Oct 21, 2003 1:42 PM
I just got a new bike, all steel, including forks and stays. The forks and stays are chromed and the fork is a sloping unicrown, really a beautiful bike and a lovely ride.

Always loved steel, can't imagine chnaging.

I was in my LBS the other day and see a used MXL frame built up with ULTEGRA (!!??), lovely FRAME!

Can't afford it but man would I love to have that frame bubble - wrapped and hanging in the garage for when one of my stocks recovers enough to build it ( you listening Kodak!?).

Sigh, oh well, good to have dreams.
I have a N.O.S. 60 Motorola Merckx for sale.stillridn
Oct 21, 2003 2:00 PM
Make it a 55 or 56Marketing Dept
Oct 21, 2003 2:44 PM
and you have a deal.
I have a N.O.S. 60 Motorola Merckx for sale.laffeaux
Oct 21, 2003 9:39 PM
Have a pic and a price?
I have a N.O.S. 60 Motorola Merckx for sale.cdale02
Oct 21, 2003 11:04 PM
I may be interested in your Merckx. can you e-mail me at caad_502@yahoo.com
Motorola Colors, HMMMM, you read my mind...nmMarketing Dept
Oct 21, 2003 2:36 PM
Favorite CF?Marketing Dept
Oct 21, 2003 2:56 PM
I have ridden a bunch of them.

Look
Calfee
Kestrel
Trek OCLV

My pick of the litter is the least exciting though.

I have had (and am not a Trek authorized dealer) at least 7 OCLV's, including a Y-Foil. I have to admit, for the price, you just can not beat them.

None of them ever gave me any problems, it is just in my line of business, I get the opportunity to ride many different rides.

The Looks are second, except for one bad lug, but under warantee, so no problems.

The Calfee Luna had problems with the clearcoat. That worries me when I am cruising 40+ mph and I see it flaking under me.

The Kestrel is an OCLV look a like and ride a like. It costs a bit more than the OCLV, so it didn't make sense to spend the extra bucks.

The only problem with the OCLV, too mainstream. That is why I have had mine repainted and re-badged with a custom logo RACERX (see also I am not a Trek dealer).
Favorite CF?Franchise
Oct 21, 2003 3:33 PM
Thanks for your reply. I'll let my fiancee know about the Trek OCLV. I know she was looking at them previously, but I really don't know very much about CF frames. Any pics of your OCLV with the Racer X Decals?

Also, I've seen a Y-Foil...pretty interesting design. It's a shame they don't have any more of those frames. They were very eye-catching, and from what I understand, their following is almost cult-like.
OCLV advice..........Len J
Oct 21, 2003 3:48 PM
I rode one for two years, loved the ride and the "tightness" of the frame. However be careful of the fit.

If you start with a normal "square" frame geometry (that is the C to C measurement of the seat tube is the same as the top tube) which is a benchmark geometry, and compare it to the Trek, you find that the seat tube is significantly shorter (measured center to center) than the top tube. Trek measures their sizes center of BB to top of seat tube so their 56 has a 56cm tt with a (C to C) seat tube of around 52. What this means is that if you are normally proportioned, the only way you can fit on an OCLV (assuming that you have the correct Top tube length) is to either:

1.) have 4cm of extra drop from your seat to your bars( with no spacers)
2.) have either more spacers, a riser stem or both to get the bars up, or
3.) Some combination of both

Ideally, the geometry appears to be designed for either someone with short legs and a long torso, someone who doesn't mind a front end with spacers and a riser stem or someone who wants mucho drop to the bars. Even lans appears to have 2 to 3 cm of spacers on his bike.

I loved the ride of the bike. I didn't like the way it looked in order to get a good fit (for me). It gets even worse the higher you want your bars.

I tell you this not to talk you out of the OCLv, but rather so you will go in with your eyes open.

Len
OCLV advice..........Len J
Oct 21, 2003 3:49 PM
I rode one for two years, loved the ride and the "tightness" of the frame. However be careful of the fit.

If you start with a normal "square" frame geometry (that is the C to C measurement of the seat tube is the same as the top tube) which is a benchmark geometry, and compare it to the Trek, you find that the seat tube is significantly shorter (measured center to center) than the top tube. Trek measures their sizes center of BB to top of seat tube so their 56 has a 56cm tt with a (C to C) seat tube of around 52. What this means is that if you are normally proportioned, the only way you can fit on an OCLV (assuming that you have the correct Top tube length) is to either:

1.) have 4cm of extra drop from your seat to your bars( with no spacers)
2.) have either more spacers, a riser stem or both to get the bars up, or
3.) Some combination of both

Ideally, the geometry appears to be designed for either someone with short legs and a long torso, someone who doesn't mind a front end with spacers and a riser stem or someone who wants mucho drop to the bars. Even Lance appears to have 2 to 3 cm of spacers on his bike.

I loved the ride of the bike. I didn't like the way it looked in order to get a good fit (for me). It gets even worse the higher you want your bars.

I tell you this not to talk you out of the OCLv, but rather so you will go in with your eyes open.

Len
OCLV advice..........Franchise
Oct 21, 2003 4:50 PM
Thanks for the info. I'll make sure to let my fiancee know this prior to her making a final decision on a new roadbike!
Trek frame fit...zero85ZEN
Oct 21, 2003 8:40 PM
Is actually pretty middle of the road as far as top tube and seat tube and head tube measurements, etc. For a female they have the WSD OCLV's. One of those should fit her well if she can't fit a "mens" frame comfortably.
IMHO, best carbon frame out there. And I've ridden a few different carbon frames.
Middle of the road?????......Len J
Oct 22, 2003 8:08 AM
compared to what?

Len
Thou shalt not invoke the name of the Moderator in vain ;-) nmDougSloan
Oct 21, 2003 1:58 PM
Sorry, just wanted to see if you were listening...nmMarketing Dept
Oct 21, 2003 3:38 PM
How 'bout this one?Mel Erickson
Oct 21, 2003 3:44 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3631895062&category=7298

Or this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3632860892&category=7298
great bike huh?ColnagoFE
Oct 21, 2003 12:46 PM
I have a Y2k AD4 MXL. Love it. I think a lot of the comfort comes from the geometry as well as the material. I'd like to ride a Dream plus sometime to compare ride quality.
great bike huh?mapei boy
Oct 21, 2003 1:43 PM
In my experience, (I own a Dream Plus and have test-ridden an MXL) the Dream Plus rides rougher but faster. And yes, I'm sure the laid-back head tube angle contributes significantly to the ride quality.
re: Oh so pleased with my MXL - I love steel!reddach
Oct 21, 2003 5:01 PM
Got two myself. Best rides I have ever had. One Record-Chorus mix w/ Ksyriums. Number two all D/A with Cane Creek Aeroheads. Guess which one I like the best. Pixs of my girls here.

http://groups.msn.com/BicyclingForumPicPost/reddachsrides.msnw?albumlist=2
off topic... but, love your pic of Katahdin,russw19
Oct 21, 2003 8:43 PM
I spent a the summer of 95 in Maine as a hockey instructor at a camp. On one of days off a group of us from the camp climbed Katahdin. There was a rock keiren (spelling?) at the top and I climbed it and took the top rock, just so I could say I owned the highest point in Maine.

But that was a seriously nice climb. I felt so at peace with myself standing on the top of that mountain looking out over the valley below... it was life changing.

Russ
Welcome-enjoy the ride. nmMXL02
Oct 21, 2003 6:05 PM
I have an MXL also......DINOSAUR
Oct 21, 2003 6:28 PM
I have an '02 Colnago MXL as my main ride. My "old" bike is a Klein Quantum Race. I spend most of my time on the nago, but the Klein rides just as smooth and I dare to day that the Klein is a little bit faster on the ascents. It's nice to have two different bikes to switch on and off once and awhile. The problem is I can't stop riding the MLX. Good bike for day in/day out riding, never beats you up and nice paint to boot (makes you keep your bike clean).

Good choice...enjoy...
I have an MXL also......Franchise
Oct 22, 2003 8:02 AM
I completely agree about the day-in, day-out comfort. The paint is very nice indeed!
Love mine tooterry b
Oct 21, 2003 8:10 PM
I've got others - lighter, sexier, racier, etc-ier, but I still love my MxL like no other. She's a bit weighty, but rides like a magic carpet. I love it so much that I just treated it to a Force fork upgrade as one of my winter projects.

Its turn in the rotation came up tonight - 22 miles around town in the setting October sun. 87 degrees at the start, 82 at the finish but chilly in the shady parts.

2000 in AD20 - the "demure" Colnago paint job.
Demure indeedCrankist
Oct 22, 2003 5:44 AM
My only second thoughts on buying the De Rosa was remembering your MXL on a ride (well, and the online Fondriest Status Carb too). IMO absolutely the best of the Nag paint schemes.
When I snap out of my disgustingly anti-social riding pattern, I'll get in touch.
M.
Wife's off to the Appaloosa Worldsterry b
Oct 22, 2003 6:05 AM
on the 28th.

I'm thinking my house to Rio Bravo, Rio Bravo back to Tingley, up through Downtown, up MLK to UNM. Up Constitution to Winrock, up the path to Tramway, up Tramway, down Tramway, across Jefferson, down the diversion channel to UNM, down MLK to Tingley.

Up for it? 1st, 2nd or 8th?
1st, meet @ Nature Center -> Rio Br. etc.Crankist
Oct 22, 2003 1:14 PM
Name a time. I am a social creature, I am a social creature...
M.
1st, meet @ Nature Center -> Rio Br. etc.terry b
Oct 22, 2003 1:24 PM
I was going to suggest meeting at Rio Bravo, make it easier on you!

Actually, that was so I could get in the 7 mile roundtrip from Tingley to said. But I could do it on the end instead of the beginning. Nature center is good, but I'm probably going to want to make it a bit later. That way I can get the horses out in the pasture before I leave. Maybe something like 10:45 and ride into the warmer part of the day. I'll fire you an email middle of next week.
Love mine tooFranchise
Oct 22, 2003 8:03 AM
I've always loved that AD-20 color. That ranks up there with my favorite Colnago color schemes. What do you think about the new PR line of color schemes?
like themterry b
Oct 22, 2003 8:46 AM
I'm shopping a C50 for next year's project and PR4 or PRAL are the current front runners.
Me too - but I'm Canadian, so I went with Cervelo...BowWow
Oct 21, 2003 10:24 PM
Still dialin' it in, but gettin' real close - She's my one-and-only...
Me too - but I'm Canadian, so I went with Cervelo...Franchise
Oct 22, 2003 8:06 AM
Very nice ride! I always liked the look of the Prodigy!
I miss my Battaglin!MShaw
Oct 22, 2003 8:18 AM
I had an SL steel Battaglin (o-size DT, Tig-ed) that I just loved the ride of. I got talked into selling it in the mid-90s and STILL miss that bike.

Anyone have an SL Battaglin with a 54-55cm TT?

Mike