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Drivers are polite and considerate when I'm cycling(19 posts)

Drivers are polite and considerate when I'm cyclingContinental
Oct 14, 2003 6:38 PM
When I ride with my wife on residential streets while wearing sweatsuits, drivers give us plenty of room, frequently smile at us, and chat at the stoplights. If I ride the same roads by myself while wearing Lycra then drivers tend to give less room and they sometimes scowl and honk. If I ride on Thru streets in Lycra drivers are frequently nasty. I've decided to just say no to Lycra. Wearing Lycra while cycling on the road is like going into a biker bar and ordering a slo gin fizz. I will miss those infrequent times when a car full of young ladies whoop and catcall, but I'm convinced that a significant portion of the population hates cyclists wearing Lycra, especially if they impede traffic on busy roads.
This numb nuts certainly doesn't like cyclists on the roadsLive Steam
Oct 14, 2003 6:55 PM
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=6491&sid=241&n=163
What a dumba$$! nmMKD
Oct 14, 2003 7:01 PM
I will gladly pay the licence fee!the bull
Oct 14, 2003 7:26 PM
If I can then take the whole lane and not have anyone pass me until it it is leagal to do so and shut their pie hole up!
I stole your responseKvonnah
Oct 14, 2003 8:02 PM
In an e-mail to the author and added the following: I will also gladly pass all the bicycle tests you mentioned so long as automobiles are required to have the same emission levels as I do.
Hope you spelled legal right! :)the bull
Oct 15, 2003 3:47 AM
Hope you spelled...Crankist
Oct 15, 2003 5:52 AM
[just sent]
Yeah good one Eric, we need more laws on the books. And 'Bessie' - let's load 'er up with lumpy ol' turn signal systems and headlights too - that'll make those bikes roll faster. And of course that simple bike ride down the lane should be saddled with state regulations and licensing requirements. Let's just make it so no eight year old boy may ride...but at least he'll know how to spell "pedal".
Aftermarket Ti plates? nmthe bull
Oct 15, 2003 3:25 PM
i sent him an e-mail with...bill105
Oct 15, 2003 4:43 AM
as a cyclist, when you advocate making old people take a driving and vision test
every year before they get their drivers liscense and you get cars emissions
down to my bicycles levels, then i am with you. until then youre just another
radical redneck with 2,500 pounds of steel.

his e-mail address is ... EPeters952@aol.com
and here is his response in an e mail back....bill105
Oct 15, 2003 4:54 AM
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:39:58 EDT

Subject: Re: No Subject
More like 4,000 lbs. We radical rednecks like 'em big n' beefy... .
He responded to me too...biknben
Oct 15, 2003 6:45 AM
He must be really struggling to have all this free time to respond to each e-mail.

b My e-mail:

I give you my full support for your Share the Road article. I also would like to see equal attention to cars AND bikes.

I think that cars should not be able to pass a cyclist until it is legal to do so. Treat the bike like a car, right? I think that cyclist should get a commuter tax break, just as many motorists do by using mass transit. I think that bikes should be provided a separate lane to travel in, just like buses. And finally, all emission standards should be reduced to the lowest common denominator...bikes!!!

I assume your next article will try to convince everyone that traffic signals should be removed from all streets. They should all be replaced by overpasses.

Get a clue and enjoy life..."share the road".

b His response:

Can't tell you how many times I have come up on an idiot on a bicycle (sometimes riding with a baby carrier) after sunset, without lights... or riding on a limited access secondary road with a traffic flow of 60-mph... .

I ride bicycles, but not on major roads - because I like the idea of remaining alive to write more rants.

Note that we won't allow pedicabs on the roads, either.
This doesn't even qualify as a good Troll. nmTNRyder
Oct 14, 2003 7:25 PM
Less a troll and more an overgeneralization-filtersweep
Oct 15, 2003 3:47 AM
I think it is less about sweats vs. lycra as well.

I have contemplated this issue from a male vs. female perspective in the past- wondering if solo women have as much issues with drivers as solo men. Of course, with a helmet and shaven legs, who can really tell the difference from afar.

My worst encounter this year was with a female driver of a minivan (presumably she has kids- but that is another stereotype). She had all the room in the world to pass, but would rather honk repeatedly as she rode very close to my rear tire. I slowed to let her pass and as she passed, she cut me off against the curb, slammed on her brakes, and shouted profanities at me. This sort of blew any gender-related theories I had to smithereens...
call it jealousycollinsc
Oct 14, 2003 7:27 PM
Cycling in sweats must suck. Dont give in.
re: Theory on why lycra provokes hostility in some malesChainstay
Oct 15, 2003 2:40 PM
Lycra clothes on men are sexually provocative which creates hostility in some males. This is either because they are threatened that your sexual attractiveness to woman is greater than theirs or because it stimulates repressed homosexual feelings that translate into hostility.

How's that for amateur psychology.
re: Theory on why lycra provokes hostility in some malesaxebiker
Oct 15, 2003 3:42 PM
Here's mine - let's see what happens ~~

Nice article! Just what kind of a IGNORANT person are you? I ride 3-5 days a week, and see more motorists being idiots at EVERY corner then I see cyclists on the roads - PERIOD. The ones you see causing problems are NOT Lance Armstrong wannabe's - REAL cyclists - they are people who probably have a reason they aren't driving, and you'll usually recognize them by their poorly maintained, poorly fitted equipment, wearing "jeans" or "street clothes" while riding, no helmet, earphones, etc... Real cyclists tend to be educated and probably know the "rules of the road" better than most motorists -- most of us drive too, and know how to effectively deal with the cyclists you see as such a "problem". Seeing what I see every day while I'm driving is just plain frightening, nevermind what I see while cycling. Motorists have NO ROOM to criticize anyone, least of all cyclists. Too many motorists like to substitute their vehicles for a set of testicles, or lack thereof. Just because I wear spandex & lycra doesn't mean I'm some sort of wimp - I can hold my own if someone decides they want to mix it up. Remember, cyclists are athletes too, although they probably don't want to be lumped in with the athletes motorists most admire - show-boating football players, gangster/rapist basketball players, and womanizing baseball players. At least we know what sportsmanship/class is...

Cyclists pay taxes that pay for your precious roads, just like you do, therefore they are ENTITLED to the same use you are. They just need to look out for people like you who think that you do, indeed, OWN THE ROAD. Maybe you should get yourself a bike and find out what it's really all about. Until you do, find something else to whine about.

Regards-
Chris
just as bad as himSteve_0
Oct 16, 2003 4:18 AM
so you're saying that REAL cyclists are the guys who need to dress up in riding costumes, ride 2 or more abreast in traffic in large groups, typically roll through traffic control devices, etc?

You're obviously not a real cyclist; as REAL cyclists use bikes as transportation. REAL cyclists recognize the difference between functionality and vanity. REAL cyclist were 'jeans' or 'street clothes' because the bike is part of their lifestyle, not a fashion statement or a piece of exercise equipment. And you're right, there is a reason they're not driving; THEY PREFER NOT TO!!

Now that I think about it, youre actually worse than the other poster; labling and blaming other cyclists because they dont conform to your definition.
just as bad as him - whatever, don't read into it too much...axebiker
Oct 16, 2003 5:49 PM
Don't read TOO much into it, friend. I was just driving home a point to someone who obviously didn't have a clue.

I AM a "real cyclist"; I started racing at the tender age of 14, and at 32, I still log some good mileage. I use the bike as fitness equipment however. I tend to wear clothes that suit MY needs - I don't wear lycra when I go pheasant or duck hunting, and I don't wear jeans on a 50 mile ride. I also spend most of my time riding alone. You must ride with some interesting people though - the people I ride with tend to follow the laws - and riding 2 abreast is not against the law by the way - but we DO ride single file when the traffic conditions call for it. And when the light is GREEN. :)
Yep...matches Freud's conclusions on causes of hostility (nm)misanthrope
Oct 16, 2003 7:36 AM