|Could you guys check my fit while I save for the real thing?||Mr Nick|
Oct 12, 2003 12:47 PM
|I am going to take the advice of those in AZ who told me to get a pro fit, but I need to wait and save my money. Until then I thought I could send in these pictures and see if anybody could critique my fit from afar.
The first is just my bike. You can see it has a high rise stem and that is 110mm long. I also have the seet angled slightly up. For some reason when it is level it feels like I am slipping off. By the way, on my last post that didn't have pictures many people felt that I might have too much reach because I just moved my saddle back.
|On my hoods||Mr Nick|
Oct 12, 2003 12:48 PM
|Here is my position in my hoods with my cranks about parallel to the floor.|
|On my hoods 2||Mr Nick|
Oct 12, 2003 12:49 PM
|here is my position in my hoods at the bottom of my petal stroke.|
|In the drops||Mr Nick|
Oct 12, 2003 12:50 PM
|here is my position in the drops with the cranks about parallel to the ground.|
|In the drops 2||Mr Nick|
Oct 12, 2003 12:51 PM
|here is my position in the drops at the bottom of the petal stroke.|
|On the tops||Mr Nick|
Oct 12, 2003 12:53 PM
|here is my position on the top of the bar with pedals about parallel to the floor.|
|On the tops 2||Mr Nick|
Oct 12, 2003 12:54 PM
|here is my position on the top of the bar at the bottom of the pedal stroke.|
|Thanks for the input||Mr Nick|
Oct 12, 2003 12:56 PM
|I can't believe how many times I spelled pedal wrong. Any advice you could give would be great, because it might be a little while before I can come up with the cash for the pro fit.|
|If you raise the saddle height a little...maybe?....nm||rwbadley|
Oct 12, 2003 1:17 PM
|Long femurs||High Gear|
Oct 12, 2003 1:03 PM
|You have long levering femurs like Eddy Merckx! Personally I think your position looks real good maybe a little far back with the saddle but if it doesn't effect your spin then it's fine. Your back has a good angle to it...nice and low. Some guys like the saddle tilted up in the front, I do too. The frame looks a little funky with the uprise stem and spacers an all but to me the fit looks good.|
|Not a fit expert, but some observations............||Len J|
Oct 12, 2003 1:37 PM
|You need to relaxe your arms more. You have them bent some, but try concentrating on relaxing & bending them even more. This will put you in a better position on the bike.
You need to flatten your back more. To sit on the "Sit bones correctly, you should have your pelvis slightly rolled forward from where you are. This will flatten your back & (with a better elbow bend) will change your position on the bike. Try rolling your pelvis while thinking about moving your abdomen towards the top tube. Try it, it will feel awkward at first, but it is a much more pwoerful & relaxed position. It does take core strength to maintain.
This brings me to the third point:
When you try to sit right on the bike (as I've described) a saddle like you have (One that is not flat) makes it harder because either you have to smash the "Boy's" to do it, or you have to move your sit bones back, which feels like you are falling forward, which means you push back with your hands, which tenses your arms etc etc. You get the picture. I would try a flat saddle if I were you, it is easier to get & stay in the correct position IMO.
I think that when you get your body in the correct position, you will find that your head is further forward & lower. I suspect that this will mean that you can handle a longer stem.
|Great points, thanks. What is a good saddle that is flatter? nm||Mr Nick|
Oct 12, 2003 3:43 PM
|Great points, thanks. What is a good saddle that is flatter? nm||crankset|
Oct 12, 2003 8:33 PM
|Hi Mr Nick. Your position looks pretty good. Good leg extension, flat back, etc. Looks fine to me. It might need some tweaking that an expert might spot but it's probably 95% correct.
As far as flat and rounded saddles, look at www.selleitalia.com and on the right of the webpage you will see a list of saddles. The second item on that list reads:"How to choose your saddle" Go there and there is a great explanation and examples of the two types or saddles.
|If that is a Selle Italia Prolink Genuine Gel...||innergel|
Oct 13, 2003 7:21 AM
|try the Selle Italia Flite Genuine Gel. Should be very similar, except it is flat. You'll might even save a few grams (maybe 40g?) with the Flite GG over the Prolink.
I'd try flipping your stem to get a little more reach. You look just the smallest bit cramped, which is causing you to push back on the saddle. Been there, done that. Stem flip helped a lot for me.
FYI - A new saddle will cost more than a pro fitting session. At least at my LBS.
|Or... saddle angle?||filtersweep|
Oct 12, 2003 3:54 PM
|I don't think the saddle is quite level- looks like it is pointing up- and you will eventually regret it!|
|Problem is........||Len J|
Oct 12, 2003 6:09 PM
|which part do you want level?
I find with these kind of saddles, if you make front and back level with each other, you are either sitting on your boys or pushing yourself back with your hands. YMMV.
I've never found a non-flat saddle that didn't bother my guys.
Brooks is about the best so far.
|Brooks?! You tipped your hand ;)||filtersweep|
Oct 13, 2003 4:15 AM
|I take a large book or a piece of wood and place on my SLR (which is relatively flat) when I'm adjusting. There are too many optical illusions with saddles.|
|D'oh! Len wired this issue long before I posted below... nm||jtolleson|
Oct 13, 2003 7:05 AM
|re: Could you guys check my fit while I save for the real thing?||koala|
Oct 12, 2003 1:39 PM
|I am by no means a fit guru like some others are on this board, and it looks like your overall position is good but maybe you could go a little longer with the stem as the pic looks like you have overlap with knees and elbows in the drops. Might just be the angle of the pic though.|
|re: Could you guys check my fit while I save for the real thing?||MShaw|
Oct 13, 2003 9:45 AM
|About the only real things that I noticed were that you could probably drop a spacer and trade out for a 1cm longer stem with the same rise. It should put you out a little further.
One of the other things you should do has been mentioned somewhere else in this thread: roll your hips forward some, flattening out your back and making breathing with your diaphram easier. This is going to mean that you need to angle the saddle back down to level, or you'll have problems with parts down there...
Oct 12, 2003 9:34 PM
|Is that Dali in the background?
agree w/ flattening saddle angle. What that means is that how you said you raised it because you felt like you were falling off, that shouldn't happen. Put it back to where it was, you'll be happier in the long run. I'm no expert though.
|No they are London transport posters by Robin Mason. (nm)||Mr Nick|
Oct 12, 2003 10:09 PM
Oct 13, 2003 4:50 AM
|It almost looks to me like the frame is too small... it looks like you're way back with the saddle, and have a long, high-rise stem, almost like you're crammed into a smaller frame than you should be. What's your inseam and what size is the bike?|
|Are you not comfortable tilting your pelvis forward?||jtolleson|
Oct 13, 2003 7:01 AM
|It strikes me that you are seated with your pelvis very vertical on the saddle. That accomplishes several things... it shortens your reach and dramatically reduces your ability to have any drop to the bars (which might be why you've wanted the riser stem). It also means often that for long rides that rolled over back feeling gets pretty sore.
Practice riding with your pelvis tilted forward. You'll feel a lot more "forward" on the bike.
|Play with those stem spacers.||shakyfish|
Oct 13, 2003 2:36 PM
|The first thing that really made a big difference for me was messing with the spacers on my Lemond. I think that my Zurich has about 30mm of spacers on it. When new, they come all under the stem as shown in your photos. It is very quick and easy to switch those to get the right stack up for you. Try it out.