|Mtn Pedals For the road bike. FROGS or ATACS?||Mr Nick|
Oct 11, 2003 4:18 PM
|I have Shimano Ultegra SPD's on my bike now and am pretty happy with them. The platform is nice and large just like a Look and they don't weigh too much. But I ride in an area with lots of traffic and am constantly clipping in and out. I also am forced to walk more than I would like. This has lead to my cleats being very worn after only a few months of use. Also the pedal is single sided so not the easiest to get in and out of, especially on fast left turn arrows. So I am thinking about breaking the rules and going to mtn pedals. I really like the idea of lots of float and a non-centering cleat so I was thinking Speedplay FROGs. But everyone around here really loves Time ATACS on their mtn bikes. First does anyone have exeperience with ATACS on a road bike, and do they like them? What is the float and centering like on ATACS? Finally what do you think of Frogs?|
|re: Mtn Pedals For the road bike. FROGS or ATACS?||crashnburn|
Oct 11, 2003 5:23 PM
|I ordinarily use Look's on my road bike for fast group rides & competitive events. However, this year for long multi-day tours, I've switched to ATACS & use my MTB shoes. With the recessed cleats, they are much better for walking & I don't have to take an extra pair of shoes for off-bike activities in the evenings. Having the double-sided pedals is nice, as well. They are heavy, but my Look's are almost as heavy. Overall, I think they are great for commuting & for multi-day tours, but I still like the Look's for hard, fast rides.|
|I have Frogs on 2 road bikes and a tandem....||davet|
Oct 11, 2003 5:27 PM
|.. easy to use, very simple maintenance, zero problems. What more could I ask for?|
|Do you find the frogs have a lot of upward play also? (nm)||Mr Nick|
Oct 11, 2003 6:32 PM
Oct 14, 2003 5:35 PM
|they feel very secure vertically and horizontally.
Rotationally there is nothing holding you in though. Some people may find that spookey. But that's the feel of the speedplay X's also. Except the Frogs unclip even easier when you rotate your foot. There is a boundary or stop when you rotate your heal in though. You can orient the cleat to feel it or not. I like the feeling of being up against the stop for a slight sense of feeling anchored.
|I have and wouldn't again||witcomb|
Oct 11, 2003 5:31 PM
|When I first bought my bike I left the pedals at the store (I was too interested in the new bike). So, I spent about 2 weeks using my mountain bike pedals until I could get back to the store and pick up my road pedals, time impact. I found that the amount of float wasted alot of energy and it just never felt right. On my mountain bike the ATAC's are great, but you are bouncing around like crazy and a perfectly smooth pedal stroke just doesn't happen. But on the road bike, you can maintain a nice smooth stroke and it feels great, I found that the added float of the ATACs ruined this.
I can't speak for all road pedals (I only used one pair), but they seem to only have rotational float, so you can twist your foot. With mountian bike pedals you can twist your foot but you can also lift your foot a small amount, you can also shift your foot left and right. This float is the reason you waste energy. As for centering on ATACs, there is none. Never used Frogs.
I have road shoes and road pedals for my road bike and would accept nothing less now.
|Why "never use frogs"? (nm)||Mr Nick|
Oct 11, 2003 6:34 PM
|Have Eggbeaters on both my bikes||Jack9|
Oct 11, 2003 7:35 PM
|I have Eggbeaters on my road bike, liked them so much I took the Time ATACS off my Mt. Bike and put Eggbeaters on it. Actually I did it so I could use the same shoes on both, but if you like the Time pedals you'll love the Eggbeaters. It is almost the same design. I guess Crank Brothers should pay Time a royalty for every Eggbeater they sell. They both have two thin bars that hold the cleat. The cleats look a lot alike too.
The Eggbeaters are a little quicker to clip into,look better on a road bike than the Times, and weigh less too.
|look at the bebops too||Jack9|
Oct 11, 2003 7:37 PM
|Bebop makes some great pedals too. A lot like the frogs, but with an even cooler name.
|Bebops all the way...||Matno|
Oct 11, 2003 9:04 PM
|I can't say enough good things about these pedals. More like the high end Speedplay road pedals than the Frogs, IMO, and just about as close to a perfect pedal as has ever been created...|
|What is the float and overall connectedness like? (nm)||Mr Nick|
Oct 11, 2003 9:10 PM
|The crank bros I mean? (nm)||Mr Nick|
Oct 11, 2003 9:11 PM
|20 Deg. / You just push down to engage and easy twist out +||noupi|
Oct 12, 2003 8:45 AM
|I just finished my 2nd year with these pedals and they work like day one.
There mounted on Sidi MTB shoes.
A great pedal !!!
|Eggbeaters are 6 degrees float||kenyee|
Oct 12, 2003 9:17 AM
|according to their web site.
Release angle can be 15 degrees or 20 degrees...
|Sorry, didn't mean Frogs, never used them (nm)||witcomb|
Oct 12, 2003 8:23 AM
|re: Mtn Pedals For the road bike. FROGS or ATACS?||ramboorider|
Oct 12, 2003 2:18 AM
|Depends on how you like your float. The ATACs are spring loaded and self-centering, so your foot is always being pulled back toward center. The Frogs have an amazing amount of totally free float - no spring resistance at all. Some have likened the feeling of speedplay pedals to "walking on ice" - and its sort of apt. You get used to it pretty quickly and lots of people like it for their knees.
Both are easy to get into and out of. I like ATACs better for off-road (frogs can get fouled in mud and hard to get fully engaged), but either is just fine for the road. I used frogs for years - I don't like the free fload anymore, but lots of folks do. Oh yeah, one more thing - the ATACs have a slightly larger platform - a bit more stable feeling.
No real downside to either.
|re: Mtn Pedals For the road bike. FROGS or ATACS?||d-boy|
Oct 12, 2003 4:26 AM
|I agree with the Bebops. I use them on my MTB; Speedplays on my road bike. They have similar float to the Speedplay roads. Cleats don't clog. Worth looking into.|
|re: Frogs for the road, trail and mountain||hudsonite|
Oct 12, 2003 4:54 AM
|I use and like Frogs for all my cycling. They work, my knees no longer hurt and my feet never have any hot spots.
I also like the fact that I can walk around in my shoes (Sidi) without slipping and sliding.
If I was road racing I probably would use something other than Frogs, but for training and long rides (100KM+) they work great. Easy in, easy out. No problems with dirt, little maintenance and one pair of shoes for all the bikes.
Some members of our cycling club use the Time ATACS and they like them. But I could not use them because they did not offer the amount of float necessary to keep my knees from hurting. I have been riding seriously for over 30 years and my knees are sensitive to certain kinds of stresses. The ATACS were better than most, but not good enough for me. But eveyone is different.
|re: Mtn Pedals For the road bike. FROGS or ATACS?||jrm|
Oct 12, 2003 8:39 AM
|I use atacs on my MTB,CX and road bike. In traffic (SF) im finding that BMX flat pedals work real well. yeah theyre clunky and you will get the occasional shin tatoo but int he long run there nice.|
|Frogs on Road, MTB., SS.||hrv|
Oct 12, 2003 9:06 AM
|Frogs are what I started with 2 years ago, so nothing to compare to. Sidi Dominator shoes. Life is good. Probably have as much or more float than any pedal out there. Either like it or you don't I guess. Can't imagine, even remotely, using a pedal with only one sided entry.
I road race and have had no problems. Might have a very slight upward play but definitely not the reason I haven't seen a podium position yet! Appreciate the fact that I will not come unclipped, no matter how hard the sprint.
Not the ideal system for mtb. in the mud, but you can always switch out for those days. I never really had a problem, but then again I don't mtb. in all day mudfests either.
Between getting a road bike, mtn. bike, and building a single speed, all in the same time frame, I couldn't justify getting new shoes/pedal systems for each. So I stuck with the Frogs and am glad I did. Soon to be owner of a track bike and probably will put Frogs on those too. Might hold me back from the Kilo record, huh? Or maybe not....
|Have Both||peter in NVA|
Oct 12, 2003 3:41 PM
|Frogs on road and cross bike for years. My knees loved the large free float.
Switched to Time ATAC for cross because the new Frog cleats are terrible in the mud-they fixed something that didn't need fixing. BUT, on the road the Time, compared to the Frogs,have no float at all. The self-centering started bringing back the old outside knee pain I got with the original non-floating pedals. My case is extreme, but I chucked the Time's and have compromised by sticking with the new Frog cleats.
Oct 12, 2003 5:12 PM
|I have used ATACs since they came out, in the mid 90s, but only for mountain biking. The cleats are really soft metal (brass?) and I replace them every year. IMO the pedals have too much side to side float for road biking, but the new series apparently will correct that problem. I did put them on my road bike for a few days while waiting for road pedals to arrive and didn't particularly like it...|
|What, no Shimano?||TNRyder|
Oct 12, 2003 8:16 PM
|Couldn't help but notice that NOBODY even mentioned Shimano pedals. I have Shimano MTN pedals on all of my bikes by default. My Mtn bikes came with shimano pedals and when I purchased my road bike, I put a spare pair of spd compatible pedals. The only good thing about it is that I can use the same shoes for all bikes.
They work fine for the MTNBikes, but the other day I was trying to sprint on a group ride (psuedo race)and one of my feet popped out. Needless to say, I didn't win that sprint! Not that I would have anyway.
|foot popped out, right? exactly why no shimano.||weatherx|
Oct 12, 2003 10:18 PM
|shimano spd system either will allow occassional pop out, or will be so tight that clipping in is rather difficult--for mtn pedals. not good for restarting after emergency stops on a climb
I have atacs on all my bikes, road or mountain. imo way better than any shimano pedals in mud shedding and consistent clipping in/releasing.
Oct 13, 2003 5:07 AM
|people may forget but they are MTB pedals. Unlike Speedplay bobs have long cleat life, easy to maintain. Comparing to SPD or Times large shoe contact patch.|
|anyone have a pic of the Beebop cleat? (nm)||wolfereeno|
Oct 14, 2003 5:40 PM
|I would go with BeBops.||lemmy999|
Oct 13, 2003 5:15 AM
|They are similar to Frogs but lighter. I have them on my road bike and love them, but I think I would like them on my MTB too. However, I don't think BeBops or Frogs can compare to ATACs in the mud. I LOVED my ATACs on my MTB but they are very heavy (if that matters to you). I now have egg beaters on my MTB but I think I liked the ATACs better. If the bottom of the pedal hits a rock, the egg beater will spit your cleat out on the top (because of the scissor action) but ATACs didn't do this. BeBops are considered a MTB pedal, but they have lower stack height and weight than just about any pedal. I got the BeBop SL (stainless steal model) and had lickbike.com special order them for me and got a pretty good deal. What is so great about the BeBops is they get the light weight of some of the Ti spindle pedals while still using steal and they don't have the weight limits on the riders. BTW, the float on the ATACs is more of a lateral float (ie, side to side) but the rotational float is similar to most other pedals. You can twist but it wants to recenter you to the neutal position. It is not free rotational float like on Speedplay or BeBop pedals. I think ATACs and Egg Beaters are THE best mud pedals in the world.|
|My vote's with Frogs||bikahh|
Oct 13, 2003 10:03 AM
|I've used Frogs for quite a while now and love 'em. I have them on both my bikes. Never had any mud problems with them when I lived in WA and rode all winter long off road. Put them on my road bike when I got that so I wouldn't have to get a second pair of shoes or walk like a duck. I've got pretty big feet and the platform size is OK for me and they're also light pedals. I love the free float and ease of entry/exit.|
|Love my FROGS!||wolfereeno|
Oct 14, 2003 5:30 PM
|I love the Frogs both on my mountain bike and road bike. I can walk. I have float. I can jump in and out of them faster than any pedal I've every tried.
Previously I had speedplay X2's on my road bike. I've also used various SPD pedals.
I recently was talked into trying a more traditional road pedal (the new shimano dura ace) by a friend who does bike fits for a big shop who poopooed my Frogs.
After having ridden the Frogs for several thousand miles, I felt trapped on the bike in the Shimanos. It felt dangerous and they were at their loosest setting. I couldn't get in or out of them as quickly, I hated kicking the pedal around to find the top. And I almost fell down a flight of stairs when the cleat got stuck in metal grate.
Once I tried the ATACS. I didn't even make it out of the house. I couldn't unclip them at all. I had to take the shoe off to get off the bike. I returned them the next day.
I'm happy with my Frogs.