|Lets try to make sense of this||Ron L|
Oct 9, 2003 2:37 PM
|This weekend the InterBike show will bring the manfactures out with all the latest and greatest frames and there new pricing. But this time it will be the new Euro pricing; up 20% from 2003 or close to it.
Nearly all are aluminum. Looking at the highzoot frames and the prices from 2003 and earlier brings me to this question.
How much is one willing to pay for one of these highzoot frames with a two or three year warranty?
Most titanium frames come with a life time warranty and don't cost as much as the highzoot aluminum frames.
Moots, Seven, Merlin, and others
to me, this just don't add up
|Ask Chris Boardman||lotterypick|
Oct 9, 2003 3:06 PM
|He tested the Merckx Team SC and just said nothing special about it. Just highzoot as you said.
I think all the frames you mentioned are the special group type ones. Meaning, they raise the price because they are rarer, not particularly better.
I faced that same problem. Get the Merlin Cyrene at $1,700 plus fork ($300 more) or get the Trek 5200 frame/fork at $1400 plus lifetime warranty.
I got the Trek as I'm not a poser. Just a guy getting a fast ride that will last (under warranty at least).
|But Merlin has a lifetime warranty as well.||Dropped|
Oct 9, 2003 3:26 PM
|Of course, not that the Trek is a bad choice by any stretch of the imagination, especially at that price. But Merlins are warrantied for life just like the Treks.|
Oct 9, 2003 3:38 PM
|It was more of a money thing then. Did I want one bike, which I was originally thinking Merlin (and the guy sold both) for $600 plus tax on it more.
I took the Trek and went home. Happy but sure, Merlin's are cool and beautiful.
I was thinking of the Calfee Tetra or Luna (which ever is the lower one, but then again the warranty is like 10 years. I keep things a long time so 10 years didn't seem like enough.
I wonder what happens on the warranty. Say I've got my bike 10 years and then it breaks. Do I get the third best frame, 5200, 5500, 5900 or what?
Oct 9, 2003 4:14 PM
|Well the 5200 and 5500 are the exact same frame so I'd imagine if they are still part of the line in 10 years you'll get one of those two. The 5900 is 110 OCLV versus 120 OCLV and is lighter so I don't think you'd get that frame.
The only difference between the 5200 and 5500 is the component group.
Oct 9, 2003 4:48 PM
|The frame is the same b/w 5200 and 5500 but the component group isn't the only difference. Different Bars, stem, headset and saddle (on mine at least) and on pre 2003 different wheelset.|
Oct 9, 2003 5:32 PM
|Apparently, those consumers who actually present a warranty claim after owning a bike for a few years are very few, so a lifetime warranty may not be all that expensive to offer, but it sure sounds great. Many bikes with shorter warranties last forever. I do believe Calfee has a 25 year or lifetime warranty on one of their bikes.|
Oct 9, 2003 6:06 PM
|Sells some pretty nice Aluminum frames, and they come with lifetime warranties. I've had a CAAD3 for 4 years now, and it's been great, with no structural problems. Beats you up a little on long rides, but a Ti seatpost and good saddle fix that pretty well. Sprints and climbs like a banshee.
And the 2004 C-dales, with the new Optimo tubing--apparently Saeco had to add lead weights to Simoni's Giro d'Italia bike to make it HEAVY enough by UCI rules.
For some no-frills, reasonably priced, and SCHWEET aluminum, I would look to them, but that's just my $.02.
|Read the 'Dale warranty carefully...||deHonc|
Oct 9, 2003 8:55 PM
|I understand that their bikes have a "lifetime" warranty but the frame is only warranted for fatigue failure for a couple of years - makes the warranty next to useless I'd have thought.|
|Read the 'Dale warranty carefully...||divve|
Oct 10, 2003 2:29 AM
|Their frames aren't warranted against fatigue nor are any other manufacturer's frames as far as I know. The lifetime warranty is for manufacturer defects. It doesn't mean your frame will last a lifetime, a long time, or even 5 minutes for that matter. Having said that, their frames do however score amongst the highest in independent fatigue tests.|
|Yeah, well what IS fatigue?||filtersweep|
Oct 10, 2003 5:04 AM
|Looks like it was a bad weld... can you replace it under warranty?
No, that is fatigue.
Why do frames crack and break if it isn't due to "abuse" (ie. crashing) ?
Chainstay breaks... must have ridden off a curb?
Lets face it: how many "manufacturer's defects" will show up after three or four years? Playing the "fatigue card" submarines the very concept of a warranty.
I don't know how much Cannondale's polices have been tested... Trek is so liberal it is almost like a free crash replacement warranty... make you wonder how much of the warranty is embedded in the frame price.
|My Colnago...||Dream plus|
Oct 10, 2003 5:43 AM
|Dream Plus was bought in Feb 2001. The headtube has 3 little ( but getting bigger) cracks in it. At least I'm sure that the laughably limited warrenty will not cover it. The frame has 14500 miles on it and I weigh 140 lbs. It seems inconcievable that this would not be a "manufacturers defect" although "technically" it was caused by fatigue. As soon as I figure out what I'm gonna do I'll have to change my logon name.... and sell my new Colnago jersey.|
|Info from a LBS part-timer||Coolhand|
Oct 10, 2003 6:07 AM
|Shop carries Cannondales. They really don't ask many questions on road frame warranties, especially if you are an established dealer. As long as its clear that the bike wasn't run over by a car or smashed into a drivethrough while on the roof rack, they just send a new one out. There are issues with Cannnondale like any other company, but warranty claims are not one of them in my 8 year experience with them. I have seen 9 year old frames get warrantied without issue.
And no, I don't ride one.
Oct 10, 2003 6:46 PM
|Fatigue can mean a lot of things, obviously, and that's why it is in the manufacturer's warranty to CTA! On the other hand, if you have a failure associated with a weld which is defective by normal observation, that would qualify as a "manufacturer's defect". Generally, according to the metallurgists, fatigue will show up in different materials differently and have different consequences. For instance, if you are on an aluminum bike and see cracks, get the hell off it, as it will break up quicker after such cracks than say, steel, due to its inherent nature.|| |