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Here's $5K....deet
Oct 7, 2003 4:56 PM
If you had $5GR available to build a bike, what would you build? I'm sure there is some sarcasm out there so get it out of your system if you must.
re: Here's $5K....FTF
Oct 7, 2003 5:05 PM
Time VXRS Frame fork
time stem
time seatpost
Rynolds stratus wheels
Duraace 10 speed group
FIzik Alante carbon
Impact ti Time pedals
LS Vortex, properly equipped. (nm)Kerry Irons
Oct 7, 2003 5:23 PM
Harder to do. They're pre-spec'd w/ mediocre parts. nmFez
Oct 8, 2003 5:45 AM
Bzzzt. Wrong.Zonic Man
Oct 8, 2003 11:06 AM
Every single part on a lightspeed ti bike is custom-spec'ed to the client's wishes.

The local bike shop can spec it through litespeed any way you want.

Would cost more than $5k though!
Oct 8, 2003 11:35 AM
The component kits are listed on the company website, along with the retail prices for the complete bike. The prices are pretty high. The specs are not great. Ultegra level typically has a mediocre fork, bar, stem, wheels. Dura Ace level has better spec, but still has Ksyrium Elite wheels. Kind of an outrage for a bike that retails at almost $6,000.

Dealers are forced to buy a complete bicycles from the company. The customization occurs when:

1) the dealer takes the OEM kit into inventory and allows the customer some leeway in upgrades so that he gets exactly what he wants.

2) the customer pays more than the $6,000 retail price to get some subpar parts upgraded directly from Litespeed.

Either way, those bikes don't seem very high on value.
Wrong, wrong wrong.Zonic Man
Oct 8, 2003 3:23 PM
I worked at a litespeed dealer for the past year.

I have ordered bikes for people that came with anything I spec'ed...any tire, wheel, handlebar, bar tape, etc.

Even with the "stock" parts kits, you can customize (on the ti bikes) the following:
Cassette cogs
crank length
stem length
bar width
triple or double
Wheel type
Fork type
Fork rake

We even "upgraded" some of our floor bikes with Easton carbon bars, different saddles, and the like.

I haven't seen in my years in the bike industry (only 4) a company willing to go as far as litespeed has for the customer.

PS: All prices are MSRP. Most dealers will substanially beat those MSRP prices.

You don't believe me, feel free to call Litespeed yourself for the shop I used to work at, Natomas Bike Shop. 916-641-8640
Oct 8, 2003 7:14 PM
Since most dealers will beat the price, what did your shop sell the bikes for? 10% off retail?

What did you charge for substitutions? Difference in cost at wholesale, or retail?

BTW - Colorado Cyclist typically sells these bikes as-is. No changes allowed, even though they must have a huge parts inventory.
AnswersZonic Man
Oct 8, 2003 10:18 PM
"Since most dealers will beat the price, what did your shop sell the bikes for? 10% off retail? "

--That depended on the particular customer. Some got more off, some got less. Depended on the bike being bought and the amount of money that could be made off said bike. On a Vortex, one would get 10% off PLUS likely some free upgrades on stuff.

"What did you charge for substitutions? Difference in cost at wholesale, or retail? "

--Again, different for each customer. However, since litespeed would send us the bill for the bike with the upgraded parts, we would just charge accordingly. The parts were built in to the total price of the bike for the max value of the customer.

I would never deal with Colorado Cyclist if they were not willing to order me special a Litespeed, and only sell them out of stock. Screw that. We stock 2 ti Litespeeds as display models, but all of the Litespeeds I've ordered for people (granted, only 5) were custom-spec jobs that I've tailored to the customer post-fit.
Richard Sachspeter1
Oct 7, 2003 7:07 PM
Frame, about $2.5K
Whatever's left over goes to as much 10-speed Record carbon bits as possible...
Richard SachsDMoore
Oct 7, 2003 7:13 PM
Good choice! You've just described my bike - Record carbon everything except the crank, Nucleons, and the best damned ride I've ever owned.
I'll need a little more than 5K....bikenj
Oct 7, 2003 7:10 PM
I'll start with the Fondriest Top Carbon, then need about another 3-5k to finish it.

I own their X Status Carb and love it. I can only imagine what the Top Carbon is like.
In progress - a mix of retro and modernDMoore
Oct 7, 2003 7:11 PM
Actually, that's about what I'm doing right now. I've ordered the frame, a lugged steel Brian Baylis. Not many people are familiar with his work, as he makes only 5 or 6 frames a year. He worked with California Masi at the beginning, and made Wizards (briefly) before starting up under his own name. Gorgeous bikes, exquisite lugwork, incredible paint. Also, the best restorations in the business. Brian used to paint for Richard Sachs before he passed the spraygun to JB.

The frame will be EL-OS because of my size (6-1, 180#). We haven't finalized the lug design, although I'm expecting Brian to "go to town" on a set of the new oversized Kirk Pacenti lugs. Geometry will be slightly relaxed from a full road racing frame, around 73-73 angles. It'll probably be two years before it's done.

To make it a perfect mix, I intend to outfit it with the latest Campy Record group, whatever that looks like in a couple of years. Unless the electronic gruppo is upon us by then, because I don't see that as appropriate for this frame. I'll mount the most modern mechanical Record parts I can find. Because Brian doesn't like threadless stems (nor do I) I already have a polished Ibis Ti stem stashed, as well as a Concor Lite Ti saddle - my alltime favorite.

I really like the looks of the 1st generation Record carbon crankset better than the new one for '04, so I'm tempted to get an '03 crank while I still can to put on the bike. Phil Wood b/b, because they last forever. I might just go with sewups for the wheels. I usually ride them only to race, but this bike may deserve the extra touch.

Actually, all this puts me over the price limit. If I had to scrimp, I'd just go with a modern Record gruppo and standard clincher wheels.

I'm sure 99% of riders would look at this bike at just wonder "why?" but that's the bike for me.
Did this same thing last spring...russw19
Oct 7, 2003 8:27 PM
I like!!! (nm)TFerguson
Oct 8, 2003 5:40 AM
re: Here's $5K....koala
Oct 8, 2003 1:55 AM
Spectrum ti, record 10, zipp303s,stella azzura stem,3ttt less bar,king,deda blackstick,fizik aliante,phil bottom bracket,look cx-6 ti pedals. O.K. I need more money than 5k.
re: Here's $5K....Steve_0
Oct 8, 2003 3:53 AM
I'd probably buy a new chain for my current ride. Maybe some bartape. Rest would go to more important.

And no, I'm not being sarcastic.
Trek Madone 5.9--been drooling over that since TdF. nmDrPete
Oct 8, 2003 4:25 AM
re: Here's $5K....deeter
Oct 8, 2003 11:12 AM
Read the request for reply next time. Those who don't want to spec a bike need not reply.......though I'm glad you're happy with your ride.
Vanilla Custom fixie....Gregory Taylor
Oct 8, 2003 5:30 AM
Vanilla custom fixie frameset, pure lugged beauty!
Phil Wood hubs, BB, laced to a set of Open Pros (32 hole)
NOS Campy Record Crank, Brakehoods, Brake Calipers (I'm a chicken -- brakes front and back for me), seatpost
Brooks Team Pro saddle (antique brown)

The rest of the $$$ would sponsor a trip back to France for the Etape du Tour. Wife and kid would go this time.
It'll be close...xcmntgeek
Oct 8, 2003 6:15 AM
to 5K, but here goes.
-Orbea Starship Carbon
-Renolds All Carbon Fork
-USE carbon aero seatpost
-ITM MAG stem w. matching carbon bar
-Sella Italia SLK saddle (personal fav)
-Full ten speed D/A
-Speedplay X-1 pedals
-D/A hubs laced to reflex rims

A racer geek's (and a junior's) take on a dream build
Something like this and put the rest in my pocketbimini
Oct 8, 2003 6:53 AM
drops? nm.Steve_0
Oct 8, 2003 7:39 AM
I'd like to see the geometry chart on that one nmFez
Oct 8, 2003 8:34 AM
nothing spectacular...Steve_0
Oct 8, 2003 8:36 AM
75 Degree Seattube Angle Size Wheel
Size Effective
Seat Tube
Angle Head Tube
Angle B.B.
Drop Top
Tube Head Tube
Length Front-
center Rear-
Center Stand-
Height Vert.
Dim Hor.
48 650c 75° 72° 43 513 100 564 368 706 423 396
51 650c 75° 72° 43 534 120 585 368 726 443 417
54 650c 75° 72° 43 554 140 606 368 747 464 438
52 700c 75° 72.5° 60 545 90 593 368 747 456 426
55 700c 75° 72.5° 60 565 115 614 368 770 479 444
58 700c 75° 72.5° 60 587 140 637 380 795 504 459
61 700c 75° 72.5° 60 602 165 653 380 818 527 470

NOTE 1: The above headtube lengths are for integrated headsets. To compare to non- ntegrated headtubes, deduct 20mm from the above lengths to adjust for the stack height needed for non-integrated headsets. * The 57cm frame does not use an integrated headset.

NOTE 2: All our TT/triathlon bikes have a dropped toptube and shortened headtube to enable the rider to position the aerobars low enough for a proper aero position. This means that a frame measures smaller from the bottom bracket to the top of the seattube than it actually is and than the size would indicate. So the size is a virtual measurement, and all it means is that if you ride a 54cm road bike you'll likely need a 54cm TT/triathlon bike as well. But since all manufacturers use different geometries, this doesn't always pan out exactly either.

78 Degree Seattube Angle Size Wheel
Size Effective
Seat Tube
Angle Head Tube
Angle B.B.
Drop Top
Tube Head Tube
Length Front-
center Rear-
Center Stand-
Height Vert.
Dim Hor.
48 650c 78° 72° 43 490 100 564 368 706 423 396
51 650c 78° 72° 43 510 120 585 368 726 443 417
54 650c 78° 72° 43 530 140 606 368 747 464 438
52 700c 78° 72.5° 60 520 90 593 368 747 456 426
55 700c 78° 72.5° 60 540 115 614 368 770 479 444
58 700c 78° 72.5° 60 560 140 637 380 795 504 459
61 700c 78° 72.5° 60 574 165 653 380 818 527 470
Oct 8, 2003 12:58 PM
Landshark Rhapsody...I can't believe its still for sale $1195
Campy Record Carbon $1649
Hyperion Wheels $1600
Use Alien Ti Seat Post $89
ITM Stem $60
(I think that matt finish silver will look nicer than CF on this frame.)
San Marco ASPide Saddle $100
Look CX06 Ti Pedals $219
Yellow Salsa Bar Tape
Total: $4912

I'd probably spent the additinal $88 on a new helmet to match my color scheme.
Then again, this just went on sale!!Kristin
Oct 8, 2003 12:59 PM
Then again, this just went on sale!!deeter
Oct 8, 2003 1:22 PM
Concerns over weight restrictions. Where did this go on sale?
Bikefarmer has them for $4299. Built with Ultegra though, which is amost a sin.Kristin
Oct 8, 2003 1:39 PM
Tough call, but I might go REALLY retro ...Humma Hah
Oct 8, 2003 1:32 PM
... and restore something from the 1890's. A 1890-something Pierce that I first saw for $1600, unrestored, is now priced at around $2700, fairly well restored. With a $5000 budget, I might be able to find something even better. The dream would be a bike, any bike, built by the Wright Brothers -- a St. Clair or Van Cleve.

And then I'd ride it in the NSA-OCE century, and maybe the Seagull.

But there are some new bikes that really get my attention. A royal blue Moon with gold lugs, now THAT's pretty!
This one?Kristin
Oct 8, 2003 1:44 PM
Yeah (droool) (nm)Humma Hah
Oct 8, 2003 1:54 PM
Or the Pierce ...Humma Hah
Oct 8, 2003 2:00 PM
1890's vintage, but modern powdercoat, priced today at $2800 at Rusty Spokes, La Jolla, CA.
Or the Van Cleve ...Humma Hah
Oct 8, 2003 2:01 PM
The top-of-the-line Wright!
Talk about compact geometry!Kristin
Oct 8, 2003 2:04 PM
And what length are those cranks?
Or the St. Clair ...Humma Hah
Oct 8, 2003 2:03 PM
... their economy model, shown here with an aerodynamic balance installed on the front wheel and handlebars. This was the predecessor of the wind tunnel.
Or just about any of these ...Humma Hah
Oct 8, 2003 2:26 PM