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BEWARE of scam!!!(12 posts)

BEWARE of scam!!!LacticBurn
Oct 7, 2003 8:51 AM
Someone trolled this board and sent me an e-mail showing interest in a Litespeed I recently had for sale. I informed the individual that while this bike had been sold, I had a Quattro Assi for sale. The following is the correspondence.
Beware of anyone offering to pay with a 'cashier's check' for more than the amount of the sale!!!! I knew this sounded too good to be true!!! (correspondence starts from bottom and goes up...)

Hi Jes Cisneros,

Thanks for your mail , I have spoken to my customer as regards the payment of the item and he has instructed me to inform you that payment will get to you in a cashier check of $5.300.00 which is a refund payment of a cancelled order earlier made by my customer. Due to the company policy this check has to be made out in this amount to you ,because company policy only allows a refund payment on one cashier check,so you are required to deduct cost of the item $750 .when payment gets to you and refund balance $4,450 to my customer via western union money transfer for him to be able to upset shipping charges down here and from there.

After payment has reached you and balance sent back to him, our agent will come pick up title and drive to a prepaid shipper to be shipped to my customer, while title papers and other necessary documets will be given to the shipper. Confirm this and provide


,Address and! Phone Number
for check payment to be delivered to you ASAP.

Thanks and god bless
Mr Walter Jones

How about $400...
They go for $750 new. It's not worth selling for less than that.
Hell, I'd just assume keep it as a frame on reserve.
Here's their website.
Carbon fork and Cane Creek headset included.
Measures 56 cm. center of bottom bracket to center of top tube, and 56
cm. center of seat tube to center of head tube.
I love this frame, so I'm in NO hurry to sell.

Jes Cisneros
Assistant Director
University Honors Program
Northern Illinois University

>>> Walter Jones 10/07/03 05:43AM >>>
Hi Jes Cisneros,

Thanks for your mail.Please just tell me your last price for the
Quattro Assi .

Best Regards,and have a nice day.
Mr Walter Jones


Already sold it.
However, I do have a Quattro Assi which is actually nicer.
See attached pic.
Quattro Assi Alu-Carbonio. Full rear carbon triangle.
Make me an offer.


Jes Cisneros
Assistant Director
University Honors Program
Northern Illinois University

>>> Walter Jones 10/06/03 08:35AM >>>
How are you today? hope fine. My name is Mr Walter Jones .Anyway, I
get to see your advert on net about your Alum/carb Litespeed . and
interest in buying. I will like to know the condition it' s and also
will like to know the last price you can sell it.Hope to hear from you
Walter Jones
Dude! You just posted your real name, title,work #, and address!ColnagoFE
Oct 7, 2003 8:59 AM
Not good to post this kind of stuff on a public forum.
Dude! I have nothing to hide... do you?LacticBurn
Oct 7, 2003 10:27 AM
I suppose if the scam artist wanted to hunt me down and kill me, then, I should worry.
Thanks for your concern though!
doesn't have anything to do with hidingColnagoFE
Oct 7, 2003 10:30 AM
scary nowdays with all the identity theft going on. my theory is that i don't want to make it easy for them to assemble lots of info on my over the Internet.
Oct 7, 2003 11:31 AM
public e-mail on forum = spam
public address on forum = call to boss, easy to google search
public phone # on forum = telemarketer contact

Steve (seen it happen...)
Ancient "confidence game" scam (nm)geeker
Oct 7, 2003 9:15 AM
How does the scam work?Toby
Oct 7, 2003 12:12 PM
Ok, it sounds fishy as hell but I'm not sure what the risk is to you. You won't let them take the frame until the money is in your bank right?
Like this.TWD
Oct 7, 2003 1:01 PM
The cashier's check or money order is a fake, but good enough to fool the bank teller when you deposit the money in your account. So, the bank puts that amount in your account and you see it on your balance. Then you send the difference off to the scammer or their associate.

When the bank sends the money order to the Federal Reserve Bank (takes a few days), they realize it is a fake, and they take the amount of the check back out of your account. If you have already sent the difference on to the scammer, you have to cover that amount out of your own pocket when they take it out of your account.
Your depositor agreement with the bank often gives thembill
Oct 7, 2003 1:35 PM
30 days to charge your account back for a forgery, such as this one likely is.
A potential client called me with a very similar story. She thought that she was being smart by asking the bank not just when the funds were available but when did the money actually enter the account. Because it was a forgery, it made it all the way to the drawee bank (the bank on which the check was drawn), which paid the funds before discovering the forgery. When the forgery was discovered thereafter, the drawee bank went back against the depositor bank on the depositor bank's endorsement, and the depositor bank (her bank) charged her back. She was out the item she sold and the thousands of dollars she already had sent back to the scammer.
I received several similar (bizarre) emails.....RickC5
Oct 7, 2003 3:09 PM
in response to an ad I placed on MTB Review. All used very poor english and wanted me to ship the bike outside the US. They also offered strange forms of payment. Stay firm: 1) Only accept US Postal Service Money Orders (or Paypal) and 2) State in your ad that you will ONLY ship to a US address.

Seems to help keep this kind of junk to a minimum.
Yeeeuh, but how does bank get $ back from you....DUOHEAD
Oct 9, 2003 6:59 AM
if you've already withdrawn it?

And where does fake check get discovered?

Why would Fed Reserve know it was fake?

And when would the company the fake check was drawn on discover it was n.g.?
p.s. to above: I'm refering to a company check not a M.O. nmDUOHEAD
Oct 9, 2003 7:02 AM