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It's always something: recalled stem on the Ghisallo(15 posts)

It's always something: recalled stem on the Ghisallolitespeedchick
Oct 2, 2003 7:13 AM
My Ghisallo is arriving today, UPS willing. I just found out that 3T Zepp XL stems have been recalled. I'm not sure mine is an XL, but I know it has a 31.8 stem clamp.

I e-mailed Litespeed and they confirmed that they did spec the recalled stems on some bikes, but said they had replaced them all. I don't think I made it clear to Litespeed that my bike has been sitting in a shop since 2002...I doubt anything was replaced on it.

So...how do I know for sure that I have a bad stem? Did 3T fix the problem and continue to make that model? I see that the 3T Zepp XL is still for sale on several mail order web sites.

Supposedly it can be fixed with merely swaping for longer bolts. Does this sound safe?

If I should get a new stem, any recommendations for lightweight, good looking stems (maybe carbon?) for my new Ghisallo?

Thanks....I'll be damned if I'm not going to ride that bike this weekend.
Ask the shop,TJeanloz
Oct 2, 2003 7:16 AM
Selling something that you know was recalled is a big no-no. Maybe the biggest. It's likely that Litespeed or 3T sent them replacement bolts, and they already replaced them to make the stem o.k.; I would say that it's unlikely that you got an unsafe stem - but the shop should know for sure.
Good point...so I just called themlitespeedchick
Oct 2, 2003 7:51 AM
They themselves did not replace any bolts. At first, they said it was only on stems sent to Cannondale, then after I told them that Litespeed said they had spec'd some of the defective stems, they said that Litepseed probably switched them out or fixed them during the manufacturing process.

I'm still worried. Bike shop says I can take it to any local bike shop ( I ordered from out of state) and they can tell if the bolts are long enough. Does that sound right?

Thanks
Yeah, that sounds right,TJeanloz
Oct 2, 2003 7:57 AM
Any shop that deals with those stems will have a CPSC flyer, likely posted somewhere, which will say: all bolts of length XXmm must be replaced with those of YYmm. They'll pop a bolt out and see if it's XX or YY. Litespeed would almost definitely have sent the original shop new bolts if they hadn't changed them out. And if they (the bike shop) sold you a recalled stem, they could be in big doo-doo.
CPSC flyerDougSloan
Oct 2, 2003 8:02 AM
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml02/02228.html
thanks, so it appears that Cannondale...litespeedchick
Oct 2, 2003 12:01 PM
recalled their bikes w/ these stems, but the manufacturer did not recall the stem. (nor did Litespeed) Where am I going to get longer bolts since this is not a Cannondale?
O.K.TJeanloz
Oct 2, 2003 12:18 PM
How many times can we tell you to go to the bike shop before you actually do it? They will have the bolts. This is where you are going to get them.

The manufacturer didn't recall the stem because they have no American corporate presence - only a distributor or manufacturer with a US presence can manage the recall.
UPS still has the bike.litespeedchick
Oct 2, 2003 1:15 PM
Believe me, it will go to the bike shop the instant I can get my sticky fingers on it.

You have more confidence in my LBS than I.

My husband just got a new Vortex last week. It had the same stem. The bike shop did not know at that time about the recall, tried to torque the bolts into the too-shallow holes, striped it out, and spent the last week getting him a new stem. I am trying to make the process of getting on my new bike go a little more smoothly.

But I do appreciate the advice.
No U.S. presence? Explain...Fez
Oct 2, 2003 3:52 PM
I think Cannondale handled the recall because it was a complete bike, sold by Cannondale thru its bike shop dealers.

If 3T sold these stems on the retail market, then you can bet 3T would be handling the recall.

And how could 3T sell these stems here w/o U.S. presence? They surely must have an American distributor, just like ITM and other Italian companies.
"they must surely have an American distributor"TJeanloz
Oct 3, 2003 5:23 AM
Correct. They must have an American distributor, which they do not own or control. The only component companies I can think of that have a US presence are Mavic, Campy, and Shimano. Everybody else sells their parts to an importer, who wholesales them to outlets in the US.

So 3T won't ever recall anything in the US. Their US distributor might recall something, but 3T themselves will not.
in additionFez
Oct 3, 2003 6:17 AM
recalls can be voluntary or involuntary.

If the CPSC or whatever govt agency deems a product unsafe, it WILL be recalled, whether the company or distributor likes it or not.
My recommendationNo_sprint
Oct 2, 2003 8:06 AM
Based upon my experience of breaking a stem, hurting myself bad, suing and winning, I'd say replace the entire thing. I don't mess with the controls.

Certainly I'm a little more freakish about stems than most.

I prefer 4 bolts.

One of my teammates broke a bolt on an Icon stem. Concussion, broken collarbone, lawsuit. It was also a recalled part.
So does that mean that you are road riding Saturday?mtpisgah1
Oct 3, 2003 4:34 AM
Just 'cause I have a road bike doesn't make me a roadie!(nm)litespeedchick
Oct 3, 2003 4:56 AM
I don't know. Riding Donaldson and a new bike!mtpisgah1
Oct 3, 2003 9:36 AM
Sounds like you are becoming a roadie. Are you going to train with Caroline for Mitchell? I think you should.