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shop design redux: 11x23 sqft shop makeover(33 posts)

shop design redux: 11x23 sqft shop makeoverJS Haiku Shop
Oct 1, 2003 11:21 AM
Mrs. Haiku has approved a late season grant do redeco the ol' shop. It's a third garage bay, and at current is 11x23 sq ft of stuff stacked on stuff with bikes suspended one-wheel from the ceiling above all the stuff. it's complete with soft mats and a full free weight set & bench, large chess table (4x4x4), and 6x3x5 kit workbench +pegboard.

the chess table and weights will stay, the pegboard will migrate to the (separate) auto bays where the fridge moved earlier this summer, and i'm planning to take Do(u)g's cue on the Home Depot cabinets and wall-to-wall/counter-to-ceiling pegboard across the narrow length of the shop (11 ft back wall). i'm concerned that the countertop that is available as part of the Home Depot cabinets will not be resilient enough for the type of work it will see. suggestions?

I will run in additional electical and lighting in the work area; probably hanging flourescents. plumbing in the shop ain't gonna happen. the floors will either be painted with that garage floor kit, or will be covered with a (Home Depot) utility carpet. the walls will change from "white" to something along the lines of a dark blue or gray. i also have closetmaid wire shelving at my disposal, and am not afraid to use it.

the shop has to be functional and easily orgainzed. i do not use the exterior garage door, but wish it to also remain functional, just in case.

any suggestions or gotchas? any essential tools? i have no grinder or bench vise, but both are on my list. i however do not have an unlimited budget.

here's an idea of how i'm thinking things might best be arranged (below). everything has a floor footprint except the bikes, which leave ~3 feet ground-up of floor/wallspace.

1 cabinets & pegboard
2 bike hanging space
3 free weights & bench
4 world championship chess facility
5 external garage door
6 door to auto bays
re: shop design redux: 11x23 sqft shop makeoveroff roadie
Oct 1, 2003 11:35 AM
It seems like there's not much space to set up a bike repair stand. While you could set one up, walking around both sides of the bike while its set up could be tricky. I'd set asside at least a 6'x5' area just for that purpose.
couple of ideas....spluti
Oct 1, 2003 11:42 AM
Recycled building material companies will sometimes have old bowling alley lanes. They make great work table/counter tops.
You can split a standard wiring recepticle top from bottom (break the tab). From a ,say, 40 amp 2 pole breaker run the red to the top half of recpticle and black to the bottom. Continue that way for all your wiring. This way you can tap into 220V anytime in the future. Good for heating, power tools etc.
couple of ideas....TUT2222
Oct 1, 2003 3:05 PM
Biking, I am just getting back into. Wiring, I have been doing for 25 years, so let me interject a few things. If you are doing any wiring, don't put circuit breakers larger than what the wire is rated for on them. 14 wire=15Amps, 12 wire=20amps, 10 wire=30Amps, etc, etc. You run a much better risk of fire if you don't. And I am not saying I've seen a lot of fires as a result of it, but it only takes one. And as far as 220V tools go, you'd be better off running seperate circuits to them, but you never mentioned them in the first place, so I digress.
As far as the countertops, a normal countertop is pretty strong, since it is usually supported wherever you have cabints touching. I walk on them all the time at work. If you plan on some really heavy duty use, do like the other poster said, and use plywood. A 1/2 x 4 x 8 cut in half and screwed together would make a very sturdy top. Also, you could use a marine or exterior grade to help protect from liquids, but unless you get a higher graded sheet, you will have knot holes in the plys to deal with.
re: shop design redux: 11x23 sqft shop makeoveroff roadie
Oct 1, 2003 11:49 AM
It seems like there's not much space to set up a bike repair stand. While you could set one up, walking around both sides of the bike while its set up could be tricky. I'd set asside at least a 6'x5' area just for that purpose.
Where's the repair stand???biknben
Oct 1, 2003 12:28 PM
Everything revolves around the stand. Putting it under #1 puts it in the middle of the traffic lane to the door.

I might consider switching #1 and #2. Keep the bikes close to the door where they will be going in and out.

What is the swing of door #6. Into the room, towards the Cabinets?

Free tip: Make use of the space under the bikes. There are a couple feet of dead space under the hanging bikes. I bought supplies to make a roll-out trunk to store under my bike. That's on my "gotta do" list.
awesomeJS Haiku Shop
Oct 2, 2003 5:26 AM
great thoughts to move #1 and #2. will consider. makes more sense, opens up the room more, isolates the bikes farthest from external door, etc.

stand is an ultimate pro--mobile/collapsable, but mucho sturdy. typically i'll back a vehicle out of the auto bays and setup the stand, to have a large amount of elbow room.

btw #6 swings out nmJS Haiku Shop
Oct 2, 2003 5:27 AM
The reason I asked was...biknben
Oct 2, 2003 6:40 AM
...if the door swung in, it might block some of the bikes as you try to get down and out the door. Since the door swings out, this is not a problem.
re: shop design redux: 11x23 sqft shop makeovercmgauch
Oct 1, 2003 1:33 PM
Move #4 up next to #3, put the repair stand where #4 was, add a dorm fridge for cold ones & a coupla posters of scantily-clad women & you're in business.
thanks...JS Haiku Shop
Oct 2, 2003 5:31 AM
it's a foldable/mobile repair stand, so it can be put wherever. the dual purpose of this room is bike storage/work and entertaining buds/solace/sanctuary/beer drinking. stand work usually occurs in the vehicle bays.

working on the chick pics. sorry if any of you chicks are offended by the term "chicks". i use it to honor the great spirito in absentia (and dementia).
4X4 chess board?Spoke Wrench
Oct 1, 2003 2:06 PM
Do you attract the kind of obnoxious spectator groupies who cheer loudly and wear face paint? Want some?
no groupies yetJS Haiku Shop
Oct 2, 2003 5:38 AM
but i've had movie offers for "Finding J's Haiku".

either it's speed chess on the cardboard & plastic set at the breakfast table, with the winner banging his fist on the table and doing a victory dance, or not.

the not would be on the stone & marble set (7" queens). it called my name many years ago from the front window of a consignment shop in the earthy part of town. i wrote a large check and it was never cashed. a year later the shop's daughter moved in with me (unbeknownst to both of us, LOL--small world). we were young, dumb, and you know. that board & set has been shuffled around many storage units and basements, packed in a large mirror box. it's now in more than a few extra pieces, and needs some attention. it was the playing field of more than a few games for rent.

for some reason few people want to play twice. i'm ok, but not that good. maybe it's the finger tapping and fidgeting when it takes more than 5 seconds to make their move.

I love chess, but abhor computer chess. my being is sorely missing willing competitors. groupies apply within.
Plywood for the countertopPicshooter
Oct 1, 2003 2:37 PM
I used 3/4 plywood for my countertop. I trimmed it with half round trim.Primed and painted to match the cabinets. Made a simple backsplash with 1x6.
Another solution is to buy a formica top from Home Depot etc.
I wonder about your choice of dark colors. Lighter colors lighten up the place.
I never liked pegboard tool storage. I prefer tool boxes.
Granite for me baby!MShaw
Oct 1, 2003 3:28 PM
I had a former roommate that had a counter's worth of bullnose granite countertop, so I made it into a workbench.

I gotta be the only one on my block with a granite topped workbench in his garage!

I inherited a backstop from the shop I was working at for a bit. Its almost but not quite a full 4x8 sheet of plywood inside a 1x6 frame. The board is installed at a slight angle inside the frame to keep the tools laying flat against the board.

I'll go take a picture or two as soon as I get my camera back.

angle--great idea. will implement. look forward to your pics nmJS Haiku Shop
Oct 2, 2003 5:43 AM
Masonite.Spoke Wrench
Oct 1, 2003 5:34 PM
If you screw a piece of masonite over a plywood base, you will have a hard, smooth countertop that can be easily and cheaply replaced after you have sullied it.
Masonite. BINGOtoomanybikes
Oct 2, 2003 4:58 AM
I do a lot of wood working.

The standard solution for a sturdy and hard wearing countertop/ benchtop is two pieces of plywood glued and screwed together with an overlay layer ( 1/4 inch) of Masonite screwed don.

It is virtually impossible to damage but if you do - take it off and out on another piece - about 10 bucks for a 4x8 sheet.

thanks, will research this. nmJS Haiku Shop
Oct 2, 2003 5:45 AM
Check this linktoomanybikes
Oct 2, 2003 12:19 PM
Newest edition of Wood Magazine - new shop workbench exactly on these lines.

They used MDF instead of plywood - a metter of preference - I use plywood.
hoping dark colors...JS Haiku Shop
Oct 2, 2003 5:42 AM
will help camo the inevitable smudges and the memories of hard work and fear on the trainer. :) i've lived with light walls & ceiling for 2 years and am ready for a drastic change. dark but bright (vibrant colors) would send me into convulsions.

thanks for the info on plywood & half round. will consider. the initial solution was a formica countertop coupled with the HD cabinets.
Oct 1, 2003 2:42 PM
I used 1 inch melamine over 3/4 inch plywood for the countertop. It's plenty heavy duty.

I'd just check out my photos for organization and tools; I pretty much did it the way I thought was ideal, so that's about all I can recommend, given my space and uses.

Doug, do I recall you have a fixed repair standOldEdScott
Oct 1, 2003 3:15 PM
of some sort? Is that a good idea? (My shop-to-be is having concrete poured tommorow, if it don't rain.)
Oct 1, 2003 7:52 PM
I have a Park bench mounted stand. Works great. Very solid. Just make sure you mount it close enough to the edge of the bench that you have pedal clearance.

thanks! nmJS Haiku Shop
Oct 2, 2003 5:45 AM
ps -- those cabinets are sort of a pain to assemble nmDougSloan
Oct 2, 2003 6:50 AM
couldn't be worse than a BBQ grill, plus i'll be sober...JS Haiku Shop
Oct 2, 2003 8:07 AM
i'm on the wagon 'til mid december, so many things seem much easier "unenlightened".

took me 4+ hours to assemble a bbq grill one saturday in june a few years back.

btw don't forget i'm the dad of a 3 yo. having passed 3 birthdays and christmas toyfests, i'm pretty much acclimated to "assembly frustration".

Find a tin shop - roofers, motor home builders, etc.BowWow
Oct 1, 2003 7:02 PM
I surfaced a 3/4" plywood countertop with a sheet of tin that was bent for me by the shop - I had a 12" backsplash and a 4" apron bent in, and just screwed it into place. The backsplash was a lifesaver more times than I can say - I would have lost many small parts off the back without it! It was white, so it offered excellent visibility, wiped clean easily, and I don't remember it being very expensive. Sure, it scratched occasionally, but after three years of regular use it still looked good. And I was working on motorcycles on that bench!

Suspend a couple of 4' double flourescents over the bench, high enough that you can put a bike on the bench without hitting the lights, and build the top of the bench high enough to be comfortable - at least kitchen counter-top height. I also recommend a padded pedestal type backless stool - the ones with four legs sometimes get in the way...

For me, the workbench is more important than the workstand - the workstand is useful for tuneups and basic work, but the trueing, the bearing packing, the parts cleaning, the freehub rebuilding, all the fine work happens at the bench.

Oh, and speaking of cleaning parts, consider a portable parts washer - the kind you can set under the bench if you need the space. VERY handy!

Post some photos when yer done!

cool, thanks. pics = will do nmJS Haiku Shop
Oct 2, 2003 5:47 AM
Sorry, no pix - I moved away long ago. nmBowWow
Oct 2, 2003 9:11 AM
re: shop design redux: 11x23 sqft shop makeoverflybyvine
Oct 1, 2003 8:20 PM
Do you have drainage in there ? If so, make allowance for a sink and at least cold water.

Don't forget the fridge, TV, stereo and arm chair.
re: shop design redux: 11x23 sqft shop makeoverJS Haiku Shop
Oct 2, 2003 5:49 AM
no drain, no plumbing. would love to have a sink, but not happening. do have fridge in next bay, tv in the shop, stereo, and arm chair (but the arm chair's going).

Oct 2, 2003 6:26 AM
Put whatever you can on wheels for added flexibility - tables, toolboxes. I have a mobile pedastal and table that works great. I move them around frequently.