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Strength training exhilarates!(12 posts)

Strength training exhilarates!velocity
Oct 1, 2003 10:45 AM
Resumed strength training two weeks ago and am really enjoying it. Have been using Friel and Carmichael books as guides and strength training 2-3 times a week. After first session was REALLY sore. Fear of soreness is the primary reason I'd stopped -- didn't want soreness from strength training to impede my strength & enjoyment on the bike. However since my first training session I've noticed that I'm feeling stronger on the bike. Some of this may be psychological but it's amazing how fast the Friel & Carmichael strength training programs produce results on the bike.
re: Strength training exhilarates!CARBON110
Oct 1, 2003 11:21 AM
Great! Makes you feel tough doesnt it?! Dont push it! Do lots of spinning and dont over due it in the gym either. Your breaking down your muscles to rebuild them stronger so any intense bike efforts should be regulated by skipping the gym or just planned well with lots of rest. It gets tough when you try to incorporate specific workouts into your bike ride when your using weights. Be sure to do 6-8 weeks of AA before you start hitting the big weights. Or you will be more sore then you can handle.
I know people who have used heavy weights to early and literally could not leave thier house for 2 days LOL! If you can spin for an hour then lift then spin some more its preferable or maybe even ride to the gym..I luv that. Use protein drinks after or before your hardest effort. Never do weights over bike rides :) This has beenmy epxerience in the matter
great advice, thanksvelocity
Oct 1, 2003 11:58 AM
Yeah I feel like I can kick Schwarzenegger's ass ;-)!

Bike commute to work and gym is near my job. Generally have been hitting the gym in the evening.

The reminder about 6-8 weeks is a good one. Warming up either by spinning on stat bike or doing some other cardio to mix things up a bit. Not lifting big weights. Getting on the bike after working out has been awesome. High as a kite on endorphins and autumn!
I wouldn't mess with him..LinuxDude
Oct 2, 2003 11:24 AM
Hey velocity, If i were you I vouldn't mess vith Schvarzenegger. In his prime he was the King, is still considered the best ever. just look at this photo and you be the judge.
Cool...Dwayne Barry
Oct 2, 2003 11:39 AM
mix incredible drive, ideal genetics, and lots of steroids and you get....the HULK!

That's an awesome photo.
Arnold's not in his prime anymorevelocity
Oct 3, 2003 5:08 PM
Nice pic tho'. Then or now, however, I can definitely take him on the bike.
Am I a freak...part 2funknuggets
Oct 1, 2003 12:46 PM
I have had a love/hate relationship with cycling historically... but have fallen back into the sport with a vengance. I raced in college, then gave it up, and until 2000 was a wannabe bodybuilder. For my 5'9 frame, I weighed 194 and got tired of always being sore and joints hurting and having to eat so much and spend more and more time in the gym for small gains. So, I decided to get back on the bike.

So now after 2.5 years back on the bike, after lots of riding... I FINALLY dropped into the 160's. That is a good thing, I have found that upper body bulk did me no good and am climbing/riding relatively well. I have not touched a weight since last fall, during which I did 90% leg and abwork. HOWEVER, I have only worked out twice, doing high reps and low weight for upper and lower body to get ready for heavier off-season lifting (legs)... AND MY MUSCLES ARE BACK and my WEIGHT is jumping UP!!!! I don't want it back, though. Someone mentioned something a while back called muscle memory...what is that and do I just need to stay away from upper body workouts altogether???
what's your routine look like?ColnagoFE
Oct 1, 2003 1:37 PM
Are you doing the typical bodybuilder isolation stuff? High reps and lower weight? If so that may be the problem. If cycling is your priority why not concentrate on the basic compound lifts like deads and squats, bench. Lift as "heavy" as you can go with good form for 2-3 sets only and try to keep it in the 8-10 rep range. Try quick all body workouts 3 times a week--shoot to get out of the gym in 45 minutes to an hour max. Also eat less. You can't gain muscle that quickly unless you are eating lots.
Nothing crazy...funknuggets
Oct 1, 2003 3:06 PM
This is EXACTLY what I am doing. Not doing any weight, heck I'm doing like 3x25 on squats with just the bar. For chest, bis, tris and shoulders, not doing anything over 15 pounds. It is just bizarre though. I used to be relatively big, and through cycling had lost, as I said just under 30 lbs. This summer I was looking pretty skinny, but as I said... IVE ONLY LIFTED TWICE and was out of the weightroom in less than 50 minutes... Perhaps it means I just need more miles... sheeshe. I just cut back two weeks ago to nurse a mild knee injury. I wonder if that could be more the issue... I'll keep you posted. Thanks CFE...

Nothing crazy...Saddle_Sore
Oct 2, 2003 12:43 AM
Hmm. I've always mixed the two.
Currently I go to the gym every lunch time. One day I will work on my upper body (front), the next my upper body (back) + legs. I cycle in the evenings. At present I am too heavy at 176lbs but think that you have to strike a balance.

I used to concentrate exclusively on my legs and got to the stage where I would do squats with 280lbs but I looked ridiculous with 29" thighs and only a 40" chest! Now I only do high-reps with relatively low weights (100lb only for the squats).

My main bug-bear is reducing my body-fat but hopefully that will come with the winter cycling. Lots more effort to keep warm (even though it mostly rains here in the UK).
A lot has to do with geneticsColnagoFE
Oct 2, 2003 7:12 AM
I'm 6'2" and weigh anywhere from 185 to 205 depending on the shape I'm in and the time of year. At 185 I'm pretty cut and at 200+ I'm getting some belly fat. I think I could lift heavy legs year round and never have that big of thighs. My body just doesn't bulk like some people. I also never gain any fat on my legs or arms. And this is with semi-respectable weight--working up to 250 x 8 for squats and 350 x 8 for deads.
A lot has to do with geneticsSaddle_Sore
Oct 2, 2003 7:56 AM
Couldn't agree with you more. Muscle density differs radically on people. Myself, my legs expand rapidly whilst the rest of me stays spindly. I am aiming for some kind of respectable power-to-weight ratio that will allow me to haul my carcass over decent distances. I've been 176lb for years, the only thing that seems to change is the amount of body fat.

I need to sort out a diet that will allow slow muscle build without leading to the laying down of flab. Anyone got any top diet tips? Keep hearing about having a carbohydrate-heavy diet for energy, but then other say that if you fail to use all of this energy it just gets stored as fat. Is there a rough and ready way to judge the caloric intake and composition of meals. I can't afford to see a professional nutritionist.