Oct 1, 2003 6:30 AM
|For those of you who missed it, this is from the local newspaper story about Clear Channel's biker-bashing, quoted in another thread below:
"After running Smith off the road, the driver stopped, chased him down on foot and struck him with a hatchet, sending him into a ditch and over the handlebars of his wrecked bike. Marvin Glenn Manring of Orange County pleaded guilty in July 2001 to assault with a deadly weapon. He promised to enroll in an anger management program."
WTF? I know murder only gets you 10 years, on average, but enrollment in a "program" for assault (with TWO deadly weapons, a vehicle as well as the hatchet)? Are the NC jails full-up with REALLY dangerous felons?
Inquiring minds want to know.
[Doug: move this to the non-cycling discussions if you think its not appropriate here in General Discussions. As I noted, it stems from the discussion of Clear Channel Radio's pattern of encouraging assaults by drivers against bikers, but I realize its more about the "justice" system.]
|It didn't mention his sentence...||biknben|
Oct 1, 2003 6:40 AM
|The article states, "He promised to enroll...". That's like a drunk driver promising to join AA. He still looses his license and gets a fine, etc. I'd assume he got the appropriate sentence. The article just left that out for some reason.
OTOH: I could be completely wrong and he walked. If that's the case, I'd be pissed too.
|re: Anger management?||Tower|
Oct 1, 2003 7:13 AM
|I posted the very same thing in the original post below. The guy tried to run a cyclist of the road, then attacked him with a hatchet..........and he enrolls in an anger management class.
True there's no mention of his sentance, but this guy needs more help than some therapy sessions.
|What pisses me off||53T|
Oct 1, 2003 7:40 AM
|is "journalists" who don't think it's important to mention what the sentance is.|
|Step one: realize your anger is controlling you...||torquer|
Oct 1, 2003 8:02 AM
|Couple possibilities here:
1. Lazy journalist, as you say, not bothering to mention sentence.
2. Description of sentence included in reporter's story, but edited out.
3. My original inferrence was correct (I am right sometimes, y'know) and the AM program was the full extent of his "punishment."
I tried to get into the paper's archives, but they are only available to subscribers. Any locals able to fill us in about the outcome of this case?
|in defense of the journalist||tarwheel|
Oct 1, 2003 9:46 AM
|The guy who attacked the cyclist with a hatchet is old news in NC. The reporter in this article was just recapping an event from a while ago to add some context and background to the story about G105/Clear Channel. The N&O ran quite a few articles about the hatchet guy at the time it was current news.|
Oct 1, 2003 7:55 AM
|By BETH VELLIQUETTE
Chapel Hill Herald
Friday, August 10, 2001
HILLSBOROUGH - A man who attacked a bicyclist with a hatchet in April returned to court Thursday and will have the charge against him dismissed even though he did not enroll in anger management classes as ordered.
Marvin Glenn Manring, 33, of 3102 Trice-Atwater Road, Chapel Hill, pleaded guilty last month to assault with a deadly weapon for running after a man on a bicycle and hitting him with the blunt end of a hatchet.
Manring apparently was angry that the bicyclist slowed him down as he was driving near the intersection of Orange Grove Road and Dodsons Crossroads.
As Manring drove past the bicyclist, he nearly clipped him with the mirror of his work truck. The bicyclist said he shook his fist at Manring.
Manring then pulled the truck over to the side of the road and chased the bicyclist with the hatchet, officials said. After Manring swung at him and hit him on the arm, the bicyclist crashed in a ditch.
During a hearing last month, Manring was ordered to enroll in an anger management program, but prosecutors couldn't find an appropriate class for him because most anger management classes involve domestic violence situations, Assistant District Attorney Beverly Scarlett said.
"He couldn't get one-on-one counseling without extraordinary fees," she said.
When Manring returned to court Thursday, District Court Judge Joe Buckner, with the victim's OK, ordered Manring to pay $762 in restitution for the victim's medical bills. Buckner also gave Manring a strict lecture.
"I said, 'Where are you from?' He said, 'Chatham County,' and I said, 'That disappoints me,'" said Buckner, who grew up in Chatham County.
Buckner lectured Manring on his responsibilities as a North Carolina resident and told him he had to learn patience.
The judge gave Manring a prayer for judgment continued, meaning the conviction will not appear on his record.
|Damn! That's not right. nm||Kristin|
Oct 1, 2003 8:27 AM
|victim didn't help||mohair_chair|
Oct 1, 2003 8:52 AM
|I re-read the article after I posted it and noticed something I pass over the first time:
"When Manring returned to court Thursday, District Court Judge Joe Buckner, with the victim's OK, ordered Manring to pay $762 in restitution for the victim's medical bills. Buckner also gave Manring a strict lecture."
A guy runs tries to kill this rider with his truck, then comes after them with a hatchet, and the rider stands up in court and basically says "no big deal."
Should this ever happen to me, I will not react the same way.
|Ever been the victim of a violent crime?||russw19|
Oct 2, 2003 6:14 PM
|I was carjacked at gunpoint about 10 years ago. By the time the kid who did it was finally up for sentencing it was almost 19 months later. By then, I didn't really give a crap anymore. I just wanted it over. I was sick of having to uproot my life to go to court every time this punk kid had a damn hearing. I wanted restitution for the damage to my car (he crashed it while running from the highway patrol) and other than that, I wanted to wash my hands of the whole incident. I had moved on with my life, but the court system moves slower than life.
Maybe this guy felt the same way. It's a burden to be the victim, some don't want to deal with it.
Oct 1, 2003 9:43 AM
|"He couldn't get one-on-one counseling without extraordinary fees," she said.
Well boofreakinhoo. We all have our weak moments but this guy's gonna really hurt someone some day. Too bad there won't be anything on his record.
Oct 1, 2003 11:01 AM
|Maybe the rider wants this guy on the outside, where he is easier to get to...|
|re: Anger management?||bcm119|
Oct 1, 2003 8:20 AM
|The prisons in North Carolina, like many states, are full of folks convicted of selling marijuana- theres not much room for hatchet-bearing cyclist attackers.|
|re: Anger management?||Wheelsuker|
Oct 1, 2003 8:30 AM
|As much as I am not opposed to pot, the truth is that less then 1% of the US prison population is on strictly personal use pot sentences.|
|re: Anger management?||dave woof|
Oct 1, 2003 9:41 AM
|2.1 million people in US prisons.
21,000 in prison for simple marijuana possession?
That's too many.
|re: Anger management?||boyd2|
Oct 1, 2003 10:21 AM
|I think that stat on 1% is a bit misleading. The "personal use" folks are those that got busted in the parking lot of a concert with a little bit. I bet the number goes up dramatically if you consider those in prison that had a nominal amount say less then 2oz.|
|Don't mean to be an ass...but||Fatnslow|
Oct 1, 2003 10:47 AM
|Weed is still illegal. Ya smoke it and ya take the risk.
I've been known to indulge on occasion, but I have no illusions as to what would happen if I got caught.
I'd like to see how the stats change when you factor in how many of that 1% had been busted on drug charges previously.
Oct 1, 2003 11:45 AM
|No one (most likely) goes to prison for pot possession on first offense. Probably get 6 months probation.
This guy should at least be sued in civil court for assault and battery, including punitive damages. Go after the guy's house and truck; make it hurt.
|There could be a few lessons here.||DERICK|
Oct 1, 2003 8:01 PM
|The story says the cyclist shook his fist at the driver. That's an agressive gesture. Basicaly it means come back here and lets fight. When the driver took him up on his offer the cyclist changed his mind and ran away. He was in no position to defend himself and got hurt.
The main lesson is not to challenge people unless you really mean it. Sooner or later someone is going to call your bluff.
Secondly, by staying on his bicycle he put himself in a voulnerable position. It's nearly impossible to defend your self with a bicycle between your legs. You can't move and you can't defend yourself. He did not have a plan and was not properly equiped to deal with this type of situation. The decisions he made under stress put him in a position where he had no chance to defend himself or make a proper retreat.
I'm not trying to be critical of the cyclist here at all. No one deserves to go through what he did for simply waving a fist. The driver should have been thrown in jail and forced to pay a lot more than just medical bills. It really pi$$es me off to know to know the guy got a walk on it.
I just think that if we learn something useful from analizing the situation it's better than just being angry about it.